what does it matter?GodSaves said:
i'm sure some are
and some aren't
TE's aren't one big over-arching cult.
to me,
that question seems like asking
whether Christians who believe
in infant baptism
are tolerant or intolerant
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what does it matter?GodSaves said:Also, another question are TE believe in tolerance or intolerance?
First, there are many parallels between Genesis and the myths of neighboring cultures. It appears that the Hebrews took myths from other cultures and altered them at key points to drive home points about God. Jesus did the same thing with some of his parables: taking a well known story and changing it to make a point. This makes it seem like Genesis is a collection of theological stories rather than a historical account.GodSaves said:Oh fragments, explain to me what you mean by the structure of Genesis.
Thanks!!
mhess13 said:If you don't take Genesis literally, then why not scoff at other parts of the word? Such as the Bible's clear teachings on homosexuality
Because they do not believe that the plain reading of the Bible is the best one and are open to information outside the Bible to help their understanding, TE's would be more open to arguements in favor of homosexuals, but they would still require that those arguements be sound before they accept them.GodSaves said:Tolerance or intolerance on the teachings of the Bible. Such as homosexuals, there a few verses that say this is a perversion, or abomination. I would never try to indicate that we should do anything other then love these individuals, but some churches have seen it fit to let these individuals be priests or pastors of the church. Again, I have nothing against homosexuals and nothing against them if they want to attend church. I am just giving an example.
This just shows that you don't understand the Bible and especially don't understand the Old Testament and how it relates to us today.Chi_Cygni said:The Bible also has clear teachings about the wearing of certain fabrics - do you follow that?
Oe can also argue the Bible is not quite as against homosexuality as many fundamentalists think.
Tell me how many references Jesus makes about it.
I asked because I wanted to know how the TE's view the teachings of the Bible.Card42 said:what does it matter?
i'm sure some are
and some aren't
TE's aren't one big over-arching cult.
to me,
that question seems like asking
whether Christians who believe
in infant baptism
are tolerant or intolerant
Those are mighty big words... you really should elaborate rather than attacking those who have a different interpretation of the Bible to yours.mhess13 said:This just shows that you don't understand the Bible and especially don't understand the Old Testament and how it relates to us today.
Christ actually spoke often against homosexuality. Homosexuality is covered under fornication. But if you're a scoffer, no amount of scripture in the world will convince you.
What is there to elaborate on? I don't have the time to sit here and conduct a Bible study on the "types" in the old testament, give an in depth explaination of each mosiac law and explain it's relationship to believers under grace. I especially don't have that kind of time to fool with a scoffer.L'Anatra said:Those are mighty big words... you really should elaborate rather than attacking those who have a different interpretation of the Bible to yours.
GodSaves said:Oh mhess13, I too just love Romans 1:20. Have you read the few verses before Romans 1:20 and after it lately? I think it makes it very clear.
God Bless
then as one individual "TE"GodSaves said:I asked because I wanted to know how the TE's view the teachings of the Bible.
I have some more questions
Do TE's believe Jesus actually raised Lazarus up from the dead?
Do TE's believe Jesus actually walked on water?
Do TE's believe that Jesus, by crucification, gave to us salvation, for those who believe? Personally, I think this is the greater miracle then creation.
Do TE's think that God could have created the universe in 6 days, parted the red sea, and cause the world wide flood? I am not asking for proof or evidence. I want to know if TE's think that God can do this if He wanted to.
Again, I am not trying to be rude or mean. I am trying to get an understanding of what a TE believes.
God Bless
one reasonmhess13 said:If you don't take Genesis literally, then why not scoff at other parts of the word? Such as the Bible's clear teachings on homosexuality
Wow... really Christian attitude there. Scoffer, eh? Look at the Christian icon in each of my posts. I've had enough of the name-calling.mhess13 said:What is there to elaborate on? I don't have the time to sit here and conduct a Bible study on the "types" in the old testament, give an in depth explaination of each mosiac law and explain it's relationship to believers under grace. I especially don't have that kind of time to fool with a scoffer.There are too many reachable people out there!
BTW - believers under grace still aren't allowed to have ANY sex outside of a marriage. (for you scoffers, MARRIAGE = 1 man + 1 woman)
L'Anatra said:Wow... really Christian attitude there. Scoffer, eh? Look at the Christian icon in each of my posts. I've had enough of the name-calling.
Point me to specific scriptural evidence or don't reply at all.
I believe that Jesus did all those things. I also believe that God could have created in six days, but God, in His wisdom, chose not to.GodSaves said:I asked because I wanted to know how the TE's view the teachings of the Bible.
I have some more questions
Do TE's believe Jesus actually raised Lazarus up from the dead?
Do TE's believe Jesus actually walked on water?
Do TE's believe that Jesus, by crucification, gave to us salvation, for those who believe? Personally, I think this is the greater miracle then creation.
Do TE's think that God could have created the universe in 6 days, parted the red sea, and cause the world wide flood? I am not asking for proof or evidence. I want to know if TE's think that God can do this if He wanted to.
Again, I am not trying to be rude or mean. I am trying to get an understanding of what a TE believes.
God Bless
Yeah, I understand what you meant by "scoffer," and that's why I was perhaps offended.mhess13 said:Maybe we're talking past one another. What exactly do you want me to address? The post about old testament law of not mixing fabrics? YEC vs TE? What?
I wasn't necessarily refering to you as a scoffer. That was more pointed at Chi_Chngy for trying to say that homosexuality wasn't as big of deal as "fundies" think. I would call that scoffing at God's word! And that attitude proves that this person doesn't believe the Bible, so that is why I said I don't have time or interst in getting into a Bible study. It would be wasted energy on my part.
For the record, I get the word "scoffer" from this verse.
2 Peter 3:3-6 (KJV)
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
mhess13 said:What is there to elaborate on? I don't have the time to sit here and conduct a Bible study on the "types" in the old testament, give an in depth explaination of each mosiac law and explain it's relationship to believers under grace. I especially don't have that kind of time to fool with a scoffer.There are too many reachable people out there!
BTW - believers under grace still aren't allowed to have ANY sex outside of a marriage. (for you scoffers, MARRIAGE = 1 man + 1 woman)
L'Anatra, I wasn't giving Romans as scripture of fornication. That was for another point altogether, mhess13 also likes Romans 1:20 as well, that is why I brought it up to him. It and the verses before it and after it is a wonderful revelation for understanding.L'Anatra said:Yeah, I understand what you meant by "scoffer," and that's why I was perhaps offended.
In any case, I was asking particularly about scriptural evidence indicating Christ's speaking against fornication (of course he did, but I'm interested in homosexuality specifically). I simply thought that it may help further the discussion if you posted some specific verses. I'm not asking for a Bible study.
GodSaves brought up Romans 1:20 and it's surrounding verses. The word fornication (porneia) can not be found, however, in the original Greek in Romans 1 (specifically verse 29), but it was added to the Latin Vulgate and can be found in the KJV translation. It is possible there are other portions of that chapter that can be read as mentioning homosexuality, perhaps Romans 1:27...
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