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LewisWildermuth said:To say that we ignore Genesis is false, To say we wish to steer Christians away from the Bible is false.
notto said:It demonstrates one of the mechanisms of evolution which is all it ever claimed to do. It is deceitful to take the research and claim that it tried to show anything outside of its predictions and conclusions. You claimed that somehow the research was discredited.
Which of the following claims have been discredited?
1. The peppered moth exists in two forms, one light and one dark.
2. Prior to the industrial revolution, the dark form was a prized collector's item due to its rarity--less than 5% of the total pepper moth population.
3. During the industrial revolution the dark variety became much more common in regions of heavy industrialization, reaching at peak 95% of the affected population.
4. Since pollution controls have been established, the occurence of the dark form has been decreasing.
5. Dark colour provides better camouflage on soot-blackened trees, while light colour provides better camouflage on non-blackened trees.
6. A major predator of the moths in daylight hours are birds.
7. Birds are more likely to find and eat moths without camouflage rather than those which are well camouflaged.
8. Selective bird predation on non-camouflaged moths tends to make the non-camouflaged form rarer in each generation.
Micaiah said:Oh so it demostrates a mechanism of evolution. What mechanism would that be?
Numenor said:AIG and ICR are deities now are they?
If a new Christian asks me 'Who made the universe?' I will point them to Genesis 1-3. If they ask me 'How was it made?' I will not send them to AiG or ICR. Yes, a new low for Christian Forums indeed.
Numenor said:Yet this is what they persist in doing, despite past protestations that they don't. Makes me wonder about their sincerity.
Then you should be careful about how you word what you say. Too often I've read things - by you as well as others - that may not mean that you think non-fundies are second-class Christians, but certainly imply it.Just like the other thread where I told you 5 or so times I wasn't saying what you said I was?
Micaiah said:Oh so it demostrates a mechanism of evolution. What mechanism would that be?
Micaiah said:I believe that characteristics of animal populations may vary due to the selective forces of nature. I believe God made the world in six days. No conflict there.
Is this the kind of evidence that convinces scientists that 'slime to scientist' evolution is fact?
Critias said:Yes, your continued persistance on misrepresenting your fellow Christians does show your sincerity towards those who don't think just like you.
vossler said:So man's fallible interpretation of the Bible is to be discounted while his infallible interpretation of nature is to be lifted up. Interesting!!!
This thread demonstrates conclusively that the trend among opponents of YEC is the same: ridicule, mock, belittle, dismiss, berate, talk down to, chastise, discipline, patronize, and so on.
Yet somehow they do manage to reject Science and still hold to the truths that are contrary to Science like: Regeneration, Atonement, the Resurrection of Christ, the Coming of the Holy Spirit,
notto said:No, as has been explained to you a few times, it is evidence of one of the mechanisms of evolution. At the time of the research, that mechanism was in doubt and there were several different possible explanations. The research falsified a few of them and confirmed the mechanism that was responsible. That was all it was intended to do.
The evidence that leads to the conclusion of common ancestry comes from several other independent lines of evidence.
You can read about those independent lines of evidence here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
You will notices that none of this rests on the peppered moths study. It is not used to come to the conclusion of common ancestry. Each conclusion is supported by evidence, well referenced, and provides the line of reasoning that would falsify it.
[size=-1]Now if we look again at your original claim:
[/size]How many times have we shown that the peppered moths story is not evidence for evolution and demonstrated that the claims made about the moths have been thoroughtly discredited, and yet it persists to be used by TE's
Can you show us how the claims made about the moths have been discredited or will you withdraw your claim?
Micaiah said:Is this the kind of evidence that convinces scientists that 'slime to scientist' evolution is fact?
The story has generated boundless evolutionary enthusiasm. H.B. Kettlewell, who performed most of the classic experiments, said that if Darwin had seen this, He would have witnessed the consummation and confirmation of his lifes work.1
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