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YEC vs OEC

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Pope Gonzo

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DayAge said:
The universe is old and so is the earth for that matter. All matter, energy, space, and time had a singular beginning, the "bigbang." This is exactly what the Bible teaches.

The gap-theory does not work, there are about 16 major texts in the Bible that discuss the creation. You must integrate them all to get a full picture.

What johnR7 described does not sound like any gap-theory that I have ever heard. It sounds a little like the Day-Age view. Although the verses say that a day is LIKE a thousand years not that it is 1000 years.
Psalm 90 was written by Moses and is an indicator that the Gen. 1 days may be long periods of time.
Also see Gen. 2:4, etc.

I believe that God specially created different things over long periods of time.

God Bless

I totally just posted this in the poll, but that was before I noticed this thread :)

The Hebrew word for day in the Genesis Creation Story is used throughout the Old Testament to mean a literal 24-hour day or an age or extended period of time. However, every other time that it's used with a number(such as the first day or the second day), it is used as a literal 24-hour day. I don't see why Moses would switch it up on us for this extremely critical point.
 
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Scriptural account of Creation, and I am pretty sure (though obviously not a Hebrew scholar) it is true to , defines a day for us: "and there was evening, and there was morning . . . "

And if/since the earth is slowing down, (so) days would have been slightly shorter then.

A lot of you have said the earth is "very old." Not taking a date or giving a general idea in years is funny to me. Why have those who have said this done so?
 
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JohnR7 said:
Is the Gap theory a workable theory?

The Gap theory (also known as the Interval and Restitution theory, the Divine Judgment theory, and the Recreation theory) was more popular about 50-80 years ago than it is now. The Gap theory is usually largely based upon the fact that Hebrew tends to be more general and less specific than English or Greek. Thus, Hebrew words can often have a wider range of meanings. In the first part of Genesis 1:2 ["and the earth it was formless, void and empty"], the verb hayethah (which is generally translated "it was") can also be translated as "it became." Proponents of the Gap Theory therefore generally claim that Genesis 1:2 should be translated to read "and the earth became formless, void and empty" rather than using the more common translation of the phrase. This theory uses passages (primarily in Isaiah and Ezekiel) regarding the fall of Satan or Lucifer to bolster the theory that the world was created in Gen. 1:1 but became formless and void because of Satan's fall, and then creation continued in verse two.

There are, however, some proponents of the Gap theory who go about it slightly differently. Instead of translating hayethah as "it became" they use verse one of Genesis to emphasize that God had created the Earth "in the beginning" of creation, but by verse two, the Earth was formless, void and empty. These persons tend to ignore the fact that Hebrew had no single word for universe and that the Hebrew phrase "the heavens and the earth" is the Hebrew equivalent of the English word universe.

Although some folks are very comfortable with the Gap theory, I personally have problems with it from both the scientific perspective and from a scriptural persective. There are other theories that are probably more consistent with both scientific evidence and with scripture.

JohnR7 said:
Could both the YEC and the OEC theorys of creation be true?

If you are asking if the universe could be over 13 billion years old before the first man appeared--but yet be less than six full days old when God finished His creation of Adam's and Eve's souls--and if time is measured the same way both times.......the answer would probably have to be no.

If, however, you are asking if it is possible for six consecutive 24-hour "days" to equal a time frame in excess of 13 billion years looking backward toward the time God initiated creation, then the answer would be yes. In fact, that is the theory that has been advanced by physicist and Hebrew Bible scholar Dr. Gerald L. Schroeder. He has proposed that the six “days” are in fact six consecutive 24-hour periods of time measured at the speed of outward thrust using Einstein's theory (or law) of relativity and a universal time-clock based on cosmic background radiation and the wavelength of light beginning about the time God initiated creation (what science now calls the Big Bang). Because of time dilation, 144 hours measured at a speed calculated by using such a universal time-clock would be equal to about 15.75 billion Earth-years looking back toward the time of creation.
 
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Jet Black said:
didn't Schroeder drop his theory eventually?

Not to my knowledge. He apparently had not as of January 12, 2000, when his article entitled "Age of the Universe" was published:

http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/age_of_the_universe.asp

Although I haven't finished reading his most recent book [The Hidden Face of God, published in 2001], I have not seen anything in it yet to suggest that he has dropped this theory. If you know of anything, please either post it or PM it to me. Thanks.
 
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