YEC Statement of faith - YEC's only.

[Micaiah]

How many YEC's agree with this statement of beliefs on Creation.

Christians are called YEC's (Young Earth Creationists) because they believe the heavens and earth were created in six days. The Scriptures plainly teach that each day of creation was one rotation of the earth's sphere.

Genesis is Scripture and the original manuscripts were therefore God inspired. 2 Timothy 3:16. Translations available today, while not perfect, are a very accurate record of the original manuscripts.

The plain meaning of Scripture is to be accepted with consideration given to the context. Genesis is a historical, eyewitness account of Creation.

Since Genesis is God inspired, it is a truthful, and accurate in all that it asserts as fact.

Genesis plainly states that:

The heavens, earth and all living creatures were created in six days.
(Genesis 1, Exedus 20:11)

Genesis 1 gives a chronology of the account of creation on each of the six days.

Death came as a result of sin. There was no death prior to the fall. (Romans 5:12)

Everything created by God was very good.
(Genesis 1:10, 12, 18, 21, 25, 31)

Adam and Eve were the first man and woman created by God. They were made from the ground.(Genesis 1:26-27)

It is important Genesis is understood by Christians to be an accurate historical record, because it forms the basis of many of our Christian doctrines, including salvation. (Romans 5:12-21)

God did not use evolution to create those lifeforms we witness today, as that would erroreously imply:

Death and sin existed before the fall,
Creatures were able to change from one kind to another,
Creation took many millions of years.

God is infinite. His word is perfect, and He cannot lie. Any problems man encounters trying to reconcile Scripture with science are due to man's own limited understanding and fallen nature.

 

[mhess13]

I would agree with that. However, many YEC's are hardcore KJV only translation and believe that the KJV is perfect. Dr. Kent Hovind would certainly take this position.

 

[PotLuck]

I would agree with that. However, many YEC's are hardcore KJV only translation and believe that the KJV is perfect. Dr. Kent Hovind would certainly take this position.

Hmm. Didn't know that about the KJV.
Don't know who Dr. Kent Hovind is either.
The term "Young Earth Creationist" is new to me also.

Was discipled by a fellow, name is Dennis, who was a "hardcore" bible believer though. We both had KJV and NIV that we used interchangably so as not to get into that mindset. You see, we're behind enemy lines as it were in the battle of the deception of mormonism. They "are hardcore KJV only translation and believe that the KJV is perfect." (well, sort of. You'd have to study their doctrines to know what I mean by that) We were after the message, the history (yes, Genesis also) ... in short, the truth. Later on I met the fellow who helped lead Dennis to the Lord, Curtis. Shortly after that I met the fellow who helped Curtis come to the Lord. Not one advocated KJV only.
Found a church home where the pastor taught the same things but again using the KJV, NIV or any other popular versions such as the Amplified Bible, the New American Standard and all the others. But still all taught creation as it is in the bible and can trace the age of our earth and man.
Anyway, it seems I've had a unique discipleship in that I never bumped into anyone using terms like YEC, OEC, TE etc. It was my understanding that if you believed ALL the bible, believed every word to be true then you were simply labeled "a believer".

A short time after Dennis and I first opened our bibles together I knew we were in enemy territory. Not against the people, but against the deception, the lie. We can not survive here as christians, as effective influence for God's Word, if all are not on the "same page". We fight against mormon "Progressive Revelation", mormon church hierarchy (to them it's restoration of the church) and in general mormon twisting of the bible. For us here in Salt Lake City the divisions I see here would be catastrophic. We could not stand. The deception would take full advantage. And I'm not just saying on an evangelical basis either. The LDS Church would not hesitate to use that against us, believe me.

Our only strength is taking the bible literally, every word. It's our rock. Without it there would be little christian influence in the mecca of mormonism.

 

[Micaiah]

It was my understanding that if you believed ALL the bible, believed every word to be true then you were simply labeled "a believer".

I tried to convey that in the first paragraph, without labouring the point too much.

Our only strength is taking the bible literally, every word.

Be careful. There are passages that are intended to be interpretted allegorically. eg

Galatians 4


Two Covenants
(1) 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic. For these are the[1] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar-- 25for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children-- 26but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27For it is written:


"Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband."[2]


28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."[3] 31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Many prophetic passages use a lot of allegory.eg.

Revelation 12


The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon


The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon
1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.
3And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

You have to take each passage as it comes. In some prophesies it is hard to distinguish between the literal and allegorical. No such doubt exists in Genesis. It is a historical record of Creation.

We must take the plain truth of Scripture as God intended. Hence the words in the statement above.

 

[PotLuck]

I had to leave right after that post but I'd like to add a couple things.

If this is a draft of a statement of faith then may I suggest a sentence to the effect that the bible is taken literally. That would also cover a few of the other sentences in the draft and may not be necessary shortening the document.

I find the literal interpretation to be highly effective for any and all attacks on one's stand for God here in mormon country. It's also very effective in teaching who Jesus is, His love for us and what He did on the cross. I also support GFA (Gospel For Asia) by sponsoring a native missionary in India. I get info from them and in all cases the bible is adhered to literally, including The Creation. So the same thing holds, taking the bible as literal is the only way to deal with Satan. There is no other option.

 

[PotLuck]

I must have posted at the same time as you did or was in progress of writing it.

Yes, of course, I agree, there are some things that are "illustrative".

 

[PotLuck]

We can't be split on issues of the bible here in Salt Lake as we are here on this forum. We would collapse, simple as that. That's the reality here. The forum here isn't the "real world" so-to-speak. Sure, there are those who read this forum and just about anything else out there on the net.
But when you're out there face to face with open bibles there's no room for division. It won't work. Not here.

 

[PotLuck]

I totally support what is being done here. I'm just trying to convey why.

 

[Micaiah]

Doesn anyone have issue with the clause:

Translations available today, while not perfect, are a very accurate record of the original manuscripts.

Please feel free to place your comments for and against.

 

[Micaiah]

We can't be split on issues of the bible here in Salt Lake as we are here on this forum. We would collapse, simple as that. That's the reality here. The forum here isn't the "real world" so-to-speak. Sure, there are those who read this forum and just about anything else out there on the net.
But when you're out there face to face with open bibles there's no room for division. It won't work. Not here.

Agree with you PotLuck. I wouldn't be accentuating those kind of differences in the church, especially in an area where there are few Christians.

 

[PotLuck]

"Translations available today, while not perfect, are a very accurate record of the original manuscripts."

Agreed. Here's why it's important for me.

There have been times I've had to refer to those manuscripts, not often, but there are times it becomes necessary.
Case in point:

|v1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(NewT:John 1:1)

The LDS church teaches the verse is in error and should read "and the Word was "a god". Mormon doctrine claims three Gods as "separate personages". , the Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost.

In another book of their scripture called "The Pearl of Great Price" it's taught that again the bible is erred. But they don't teach it to new members but to those who have accepted previous teachings.

Again I've had to refer to the manuscripts.

This is exactly as it appears in their text including "(the Gods)"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mor/pgp/abr4.htm

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Abraham Chapter 4.

3 And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.
4 And they (the Gods) comprehended the light, for it was bright; and they divided the light, or caused it to be divided, from the darkness.
5 And the Gods called the light Day, and the darkness they called Night. And it came to pass that from the evening until morning they called night; and from the morning until the evening they called day; and this was the first, or the beginning, of that which they called day and night.
6 And the Gods also said: ....

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They believe this to be literal and is taught as such. So again, we must view Genesis as literal also or we will be presenting our case on two issues, myth AND translation. I don't think we'd stand a chance in that scenero.