YEC and Fossil Fuels

[juvenissun]

Oil right at the surface is possible, and common. So what? Nobody who knows anything at all thinks the source of oil and the formation its in have much to do with each other.

Coal on the other hand cant be anywhere but in the rock in which it was formed. And it cant be any younger or older than that rock.

Do you btw know anything about what sort of plants make up the coal deposits?

..........oh and have you ever taken a historical geology course, or read a text?

Sorry, no time to fool around with you.

 

[juvenissun]

No, because coal is made from plant material. Coal inserted "ahead of time" still shows there is a history because it shows that plants were around to make the coal. How would you explain fossils being found in anthracite coal seams? Did God put them there?

Do you mean plant fossils in coal? What kind of question is that?

 

[Danyc]

No, animal fossils.

AVET left because BananaSlug failed to accept "Goddidit" as an acceptable answer.

 

[Hespera]

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Originally Posted by Hespera

Oil right at the surface is possible, and common. So what? Nobody who knows anything at all thinks the source of oil and the formation its in have much to do with each other.

Coal on the other hand cant be anywhere but in the rock in which it was formed. And it cant be any younger or older than that rock.

Do you btw know anything about what sort of plants make up the coal deposits?

..........oh and have you ever taken a historical geology course, or read a text?
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Sorry, no time to fool around with you.QUOTE//////////

hespera sez..



It only would have taken 2 words to say

"no" and "no"

 

[AV1611VET]

AVET left because BananaSlug failed to accept "Goddidit" as an acceptable answer.

AVET waved goodbye because, after telling him twice that God could have done it ex nihilo, he comes back with this:

But the fact that coal is formed from plant material automatically implies that plants were around for it to form. There in lies the problem. You still have not answered why fossils have been found in anthracite coal. Fossils in coal definitely show a history.

As soon as I read those words I highlighted in red, I knew the conversation was over.

I wasn't going to repeat myself a third time.

 

[Split Rock]

AVET waved goodbye because, after telling him twice that God could have done it ex nihilo, he comes back with this:As soon as I read those words I highlighted in red, I knew the conversation was over.

I wasn't going to repeat myself a third time.

What about this part in bold:

But the fact that coal is formed from plant material automatically implies that plants were around for it to form. There in lies the problem. You still have not answered why fossils have been found in anthracite coal. Fossils in coal definitely show a history.

 

[AV1611VET]

You still have not answered why fossils have been found in anthracite coal. Fossils in coal definitely show a history.

How on God's green earth should I know?

I'm not a scientist --- [un-Christian remark deleted] --- and I'm surely not the one to be asking a technical question like that.

I was born ignorant --- and I promise you --- I'll die ignorant.

And if fossils in coal [nice change of words from "Anthracite" to "coal", by the way] --- and if fossils in coal "definitely show a history" --- then fine --- but any history beyond 6100 years is not history.

Keep asking me technical questions --- it doesn't bother me at all to show my ignorance --- I sure get enough of yours [plural].

 

[Nathan Poe]

I wasn't going to repeat myself a third time.

Fair enough -- the third time's usually the point where your ad-hockery starts to get annoying.

 

[MoonLancer]

un-Christian remark deleted

I do wonder what this remark could have been. Av has said alot of unchristian things that he has not retracted. I wonder what could have changed his mind?

You can die ignorant av, just don't expect others to blindly do the same.

If you dont know what science claims or the evidence behind these claims, your not qualified to say that its wrong. Until you learn the argument your just fighting a straw man and loosing.

 

[Nathan Poe]

How on God's green earth should I know?

I'm not a scientist --- [un-Christian remark deleted] --- and I'm surely not the one to be asking a technical question like that.

But you do try to pass yourself off as a theologian -- and the presence of fossils in coal shoots down your "God created it ex nihilo" claim -- unless you're willing to call God a deceiver.

I was born ignorant --- and I promise you --- I'll die ignorant.

That has never been questioned by anyone on these boards.

And if fossils in coal [nice change of words from "Anthracite" to "coal", by the way] --- and if fossils in coal "definitely show a history" --- then fine --- but any history beyond 6100 years is not history.

No, it would be Omphalos.

Keep asking me technical questions --- it doesn't bother me at all to show my ignorance --- I sure get enough of yours [plural].

Our ignorance of what, AV -- Since we don't wear it as a badge of pride as you do, and certainly don't plan to pat you or anyone else on the back for it, what ignorance are you referring to?

It certainly can't be of the Bible -- since most of us know it better than you do.

And it certainly can't be of Theology -- since we can discuss it coherently and consistently without making it up as we go along.

And it certainly can't be about science -- for obvious reasons.

So, what is it you would like to pretend to know more about today?

 

[AV1611VET]

You can die ignorant av, just don't expect others to blindly do the same.

I indeed expect you guys to do the same --- this says it for me: 1 .

I'm just ahead of you guys in what you don't know.

If you dont know what science claims or the evidence behind these claims, your not qualified to say that its wrong.

I don't need to know --- I've got a Book that says it for me.

Until you learn the argument your just fighting a straw man and loosing.

Well, before you count me out, check the signals the Referee is giving.

 

[AV1611VET]

Our ignorance of what, AV --

The universe.

Since you guys are too proud (blind, actually) to admit it yourselves --- someone else has to do it for you: 1 .

 

[ragarth]

I indeed expect you guys to do the same --- this says it for me: 1 .

Even more fundamentally, we're all ignorant about something. For me it's card games, philosophy, theology, sports... To claim to know everything is to announce your ignorance.

I don't need to know --- I've got a Book that says it for me.

That's an appeal to authority. I would rather know for myself than rely on the words of another, especially when the existence of that other is in question.

 

[AV1611VET]

I would rather know for myself than rely on the words of another, especially when the existence of that other is in question.

Wikipedia says the Mariana Trench is 6.8 miles deep --- what say you --- and why?

[Please answer the "why".]

The Bible says Jesus walked on water --- what do you think I'll say --- and why?

[Please answer the "why". I'll bet it's the same answer: the documentation says so.]

 

[Cabal]

The universe.

Since you guys are too proud (blind, actually) to admit it yourselves --- someone else has to do it for you: 1 .

What's with the repeated QVing of a post that's been debunked, even by your own admission (God's everywhere, so one doesn't have to survey the entire universe, one cc should be enough)?

 

[ragarth]

Wikipedia says the Mariana Trench is 6.8 miles deep --- what say you --- and why?

[Please answer the "why".]

The Bible says Jesus walked on water --- what do you think I'll say --- and why?

[Please answer the "why". I'll bet it's the same answer: the documentation says so.]

The difference being I have the option of measuring the mariana trench myself. I have the capacity to read the methods by which the measurements were taken, to read multiple measurements, to look at sonar maps. I have dozens of ways to confirm and correlate information on the mariana trench, while you have a book without proper citation. I'm not putting down the bible, mind you, but if given the choice to read the bible for facts, and research papers specifying the methods of sonar mapping of the mariana trench, I'll read the research papers.

Just a bit of a note: I rarely take a single paper or publication as the entire truth. Just because something gets published in a peer reviewed journal does not make it accurate or good. Accuracy and reliability can only be determined through testing, which is why repeatability is such a major aspect of science research.

 

[AV1611VET]

What's with the repeated QVing of a post that's been debunked, even by your own admission (God's everywhere, so one doesn't have to survey the entire universe, one cc should be enough)?

When you can build a machine that can do this ---

And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

--- then we'll have something to talk about.

 

[AV1611VET]

The difference being I have the option of measuring the mariana trench myself.

And what are the chances of you personally taking that option and measuring the Mariana Trench yourself?

If you don't --- and you go through life believing it is 6.8 miles deep because others have confirmed it --- do you mind if I do the same thing with believing Jesus walked on water?

 

[ragarth]

When you can build a machine that can do this ------ then we'll have something to talk about.

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Trencher.htm

How many horsepower does this bad boy have under the hood?
It digs up coal, which is primordial fire
That's a mountain-o-steel right there, that MOVES.

I'm no biblical scholar, is the dude being references in this quote blind? If so, I give you this machine:

http://artificialretina.energy.gov/

 

[ragarth]

And what are the chances of you personally taking that option and measuring the Mariana Trench yourself?

If you don't --- and you go through life believing it is 6.8 miles deep because others have confirmed it --- do you mind if I do the same thing with believing Jesus walked on water?

You're free to believe whatever you wish, and I will defend that right for you. I've always stated that diversity is strength or something like that. I'm kind of loopy in the head tonight.

You also totally ignored the rest of my statement about using multiple sources to corroborate evidence. Unless you're going to make the disengenious claim that there's a massive world wide conspiracy about the depth of the mariana trench, which I highly doubt, then getting similar answers numerous times over the years using various methods of gauging the depth of the mariana trench is more reliable than a single book after multiple translation that's lacking in objective detail and accuracy and without citation.

I grant you, the bible is much more poetic than dissertations on sonar topography of the ocean floor, or depth measurement by water pressure, or laser measurement techniques. But I'm not a very poetic person.