YEC and Fossil Fuels

[MoonLancer]

Probably a video game.

You don't think these guys get their theology from a Bible, do you?

its actually from Scientology. someone needs to work on their theology.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

Thanks. So, it is part of a science fiction. I like science fiction. But the Galactic Battleship stuff is too long and I don't have enough time for it.

talking snake: no problem
walking on water: sure thing
sun stood still: yup
ten thousand years old and made in six days: absolutely
living in a whale: fine
but an intergalactic supervillain, that's far too improbable!

 

[AV1611VET]

talking snake: no problem
walking on water: sure thing
sun stood still: yup
ten thousand years old and made in six days: absolutely
living in a whale: fine
but an intergalactic supervillain, that's far too improbable!

Better check your list again then --- specifically the first one on it.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

Better check your list again then --- specifically the first one on it.

kindly explain why xenu is such a silly thing to believe.

 

[AV1611VET]

kindly explain why xenu is such a silly thing to believe.

I'd be pretty lonely, wouldn't I? No church on Sunday for me.

 

[wpiman2]

There's a group of thought that states that oil is not the result of fossils being converted over time, but rather is a replenished natural resource that springs forth from deep in the earth. It's still touted today as a defense against the peak oil prediction.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59991

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin

I remember this; there was a team of geologists in the 80s that subscribed to this and were very talented in finding oil. The theory hit the papers in the mid - late eighties and the fossil fuel theory came under scrutiny then.

There was a conspiracy theory around it in that the the oil companies actually believe it; but promoted the fossil fuel theory as it made their product a "limited resource" and thus they could charge more for it.

Even if it is true [doubtful]; the question becomes can the earth regenerate the oil we need quickly enough to replinish what we are using.

 

[tanzanos]

Nobody can blame AV for not doing his best to ruin any chance Creationism has of ever being taken seriously.

I have always said that AV is our biggest ally.

All hail AV

 

[juvenissun]

talking snake: no problem
walking on water: sure thing
sun stood still: yup
ten thousand years old and made in six days: absolutely
living in a whale: fine
but an intergalactic supervillain, that's far too improbable!

Whenever possible, I try to teach students how to tell a composed image from a real image. With the advanced Photoshop tech, what kind of criterion is becoming more critical?

We can use a similar type of criterion to tell a recorded miracle from a fiction.

Hebrews 11:1-3 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. ... so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

 

[Baggins]

How much time is needed? I believe it is still within the range of a YE.

Well if we take the Kimmeridge Clay as an example 150-155 million years, which rather redefines the Y in TEC out of its usualy meaning even in geological terms.
Although I believe there are Middle Miocene source rocks in the middle east, they are the youngest I know of and are 10-15 million years old.

I would interested if anyone knows of younger thermally mature source rocks.

It takes time to bury a rock to sufficient depth to make it thermally mature. Then it takes time to generate the accumulations of oil that we find and then it takes time for that oil to migrate and pool.

All in all not the king of event that occurs on timescales of thousands or even tens of thousands of years. More like millions of years.

If you can shoe horn that into your understanding of YEC good luck to you I'm sure you've incorporated other inconvenient facts, or just ignored them.

If you are interested:

http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/Animator/klemme2.htm?q=+text:attenuation

 

[BananaSlug]

God should have created only one type of coal?

The different types of coal we have are based on their age.

Anthracite-350-300mya
Anthracite is coal with the highest carbon content, between 86 and 98 percent, and a heat value of nearly 15,000 BTUs-per-pound. Most frequently associated with home heating, anthracite is a very small segment of the U.S. coal market. There are 7.3 billion tons of anthracite reserves in the United States, found mostly in 11 northeastern counties in Pennsylvania.

Bituminous-300-100mya
The most plentiful form of coal in the United States, bituminous coal is used primarily to generate electricity and make coke for the steel industry. The fastest growing market for coal, though still a small one, is supplying heat for industrial processes. Bituminous coal has a carbon content ranging from 45 to 86 percent carbon and a heat value of 10,500 to 15,500 BTUs-per-pound.

Sub-bituminous-100mya
Ranking below bituminous is sub-bituminous coal with 35-45 percent carbon content and a heat value between 8,300 and 13,000 BTUs-per-pound. Reserves are located mainly in a half-dozen Western states and Alaska. Although its heat value is lower, this coal generally has a lower sulfur content than other types, which makes it attractive for use because it is cleaner burning.

Lignite-60mya and younger
Lignite is a geologically young coal which has the lowest carbon content, 25-35 percent, and a heat value ranging between 4,000 and 8,300 BTUs-per-pound. Sometimes called brown coal, it is mainly used for electric power generation.

You would think we would find a lot more coal if it was created by a global flood, but coal is only found in certain locations. And if coal is classified by its age, then if all of the coal were created by a global flood then would could assume it would all be the same type of coal. The places where we find coal were swampy areas in the past. The low levels of oxygen prevented decay of plant material. These areas can be found today in marshes, peat bogs, and cypress swamps.

I assume a dinosaur stepped in soft coal or something.

It's interesting you say that considering most YEC's believe the coal was formed and covered during the flood. How could a dinosaur walk over "soft coal" while an enormous, world-wide flood killed every land-living creature.

 

[Hespera]

Nobody can blame AV for not doing his best to ruin any chance Creationism has of ever being taken seriously.

I have always said that AV is our biggest ally.

All hail AV

Consider me sssshhh'd.

 

[tanzanos]

I dunno....I mean, its not just him. You have to consider Juv, True blue, RB, zone and dad.

Shhhh!!!! Don't expose all our moles!

 

[TheBear]

It's interesting you say that considering most YEC's believe the coal was formed and covered during the flood. How could a dinosaur walk over "soft coal" while an enormous, world-wide flood killed every land-living creature.

Even more interesting is the fact that someone got their foot in the door of this discussion with -

I'm not a YEC, but I'll give my 2¢ anyway.

- and has dominated the discussion ever since. I though this topic was addressed to YEC's.

 

[Hespera]

Even more interesting is the fact that someone got their foot in the door of this discussion with -
- and has dominated the discussion ever since. I though this topic was addressed to YEC's.

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[TheBear]

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[BananaSlug]

Even more interesting is the fact that someone got their foot in the door of this discussion with -
- and has dominated the discussion ever since. I though this topic was addressed to YEC's.

So he doesn't believe that the earth is younger than 6,000 years old, yet in another thread he mentions the earth was created in 4004 B.C. I'm confused.

 

[Hespera]

Thanks for sharing.

Here's the OP -


And here are the numbers - http://christianforums.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=7345726

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[juvenissun]

Well if we take the Kimmeridge Clay as an example 150-155 million years, which rather redefines the Y in TEC out of its usualy meaning even in geological terms.
Although I believe there are Middle Miocene source rocks in the middle east, they are the youngest I know of and are 10-15 million years old.

I would interested if anyone knows of younger thermally mature source rocks.

It takes time to bury a rock to sufficient depth to make it thermally mature. Then it takes time to generate the accumulations of oil that we find and then it takes time for that oil to migrate and pool.

All in all not the king of event that occurs on timescales of thousands or even tens of thousands of years. More like millions of years.

If you can shoe horn that into your understanding of YEC good luck to you I'm sure you've incorporated other inconvenient facts, or just ignored them.

If you are interested:

http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/Animator/klemme2.htm?q=+text:attenuation

Time needed to make oil is different from the age of the source rock. You should not mix the two.

Oil made in formation as young as Pleistocene is possible.

 

[tanzanos]

So he doesn't believe that the earth is younger than 6,000 years old, yet in another thread he mentions the earth was created in 4004 B.C. I'm confused.

Don't be; that's just God messing with your mind. It's his way of cenverting you into a YEC. Conspiracy theory? Maybe! But so is Creationism!

 

[keith99]

So he doesn't believe that the earth is younger than 6,000 years old, yet in another thread he mentions the earth was created in 4004 B.C. I'm confused.

4004+2009 = 6013 take away 1 because there is no year 0 and then you have 6012. We are only a bit into 2009 so let's give it only 2 months. Let say thnigs started really late in 4004 so take away that year, so 2 more gone and 2 months added.

That means the Earth is more than 6010 years 2 months old. That is not less than 6000 years old. Not much more, but clearly not less.

No reason to not be picky about fantasies.