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Anoetos · Mar 11, 2009

Perhaps my problem has been seeing keynesianism as the basic economic policy of the status quo whether it be centrist democrats or neo-cons.

I am no longer sure that a laissez faire economic program is the proper alternative, or even viable for that matter. This does not mean that it isn't right, it just means that it has been beaten. It's a bit like postmillennial theonomy, very loud, very cogent, but ultimately marginal.

For this reason, I am tending to see the alternative to rampant monetarism to be not a hands off capitalism but, in fact, more intrusion by the state.

In other words a modified socialism (and don't give me any slippery slope crap, the fact is that ALL the western liberal democracies, the US included, are modified socialist systems).

I am sure that a big part of the problem is that I live in Detroit where we do not have the luxury of indulging in theoretical abstractions. We need solutions that will make an impact now or this city will be a crater.

Survival of the fittest may be the law of the jungle, but it doesn't have to be and, indeed should not be the law of the market.

Having said all that, I thank you for your time and will look forward to seeing you elsewhere.

Panzerkamfwagen · Mar 13, 2009

I like libertarians, but I don't like Libertarians. If you know what I mean.

ScottBot · Mar 13, 2009

Panzerkampfwagen said:
I like libertarians, but I don't like Libertarians. If you know what I mean.

yes and no

Izdaari Eristikon · Mar 13, 2009

Panzerkampfwagen said:
I like libertarians, but I don't like Libertarians. If you know what I mean.

You don't like people who are members of the Libertarian Party? Because that's what the capitalized version usually means.

ScottBot · Mar 13, 2009

Izdaari said:
You don't like people who are members of the Libertarian Party? Because that's what the capitalized version usually means.

Probably. I would have selected the Keg Party if it was available, but alas, no.

Panzerkamfwagen · Mar 13, 2009

Izdaari said:
You don't like people who are members of the Libertarian Party? Because that's what the capitalized version usually means.

I don't really like the stoner ones.

Izdaari Eristikon · Mar 13, 2009

Panzerkampfwagen said:
I don't really like the stoner ones.

Oh, ok. I'm an LP member but not a stoner. So I guess we're ok?

Panzerkamfwagen · Mar 13, 2009

Izdaari said:
Oh, ok. I'm an LP member but not a stoner. So I guess we're ok?

Yeah. We're good.

Do you like to shoot machine guns?

ScottBot · Mar 13, 2009

Panzerkampfwagen said:
Yeah. We're good.

Do you like to shoot machine guns?

Depends one what the target is. Apparently you'll get alot of grief if you put liberal professors in your crosshairs, other than that, its all good. I mean who doesn't get a kick out of ripping off a belt of .50 cal into a cement truck?

Izdaari Eristikon · Mar 13, 2009

Panzerkampfwagen said:
Yeah. We're good.

Do you like to shoot machine guns?

ScottBot said:
Depends one what the target is. Apparently you'll get alot of grief if you put liberal professors in your crosshairs, other than that, its all good. I mean who doesn't get a kick out of ripping off a belt of .50 cal into a cement truck?

Just so!

illudium_phosdex · Apr 16, 2009

I haven't been to this forum in about 3 months or so. I'm so glad to see this here.

I'm pretty much a hard core Libertarian.

ScottBot · Apr 16, 2009

atlasshrugged said:
I haven't been to this forum in about 3 months or so. I'm so glad to see this here.

I'm pretty much a hard core Libertarian.

Beware, you'll be branded a moron pothead anarchist by both hardcore Republicans and Democrats in no time.

illudium_phosdex · Apr 16, 2009

I think, like most Libertarians, I'm more of a minarchist. I'm not a pot head and personally think those who are, are idiots but they have every right in the world to be idiots if they wish. As for the moron label, I'm not entirely sure I care what those sheople in either the democan or republicrat parties think since most of the time, I feel the same about them. I've already been flamed in this forum more times than I'd like to count.

ScottBot · Apr 16, 2009

atlasshrugged said:
I think, like most Libertarians, I'm more of a minarchist. I'm not a pot head and personally think those who are, are idiots but they have every right in the world to be idiots if they wish. As for the moron label, I'm not entirely sure I care what those sheople in either the democan or republicrat parties think since most of the time, I feel the same about them. I've already been flamed in this forum more times than I'd like to count.

Well good, you fit right in. Welcome to the club. We sell Flame retardant clothing in the general store.

illudium_phosdex · Apr 16, 2009

ScottBot said:
Well good, you fit right in. Welcome to the club. We sell Flame retardant clothing in the general store.

Thanks, I'll take two.

ScottBot · Apr 24, 2009

I support anyone's right to be a greasy haired stoner, as long as I don't have to financially support them.

illudium_phosdex · Apr 25, 2009

Dry Land Fish said:
LOL. I'm your text book Libertarian. I'm one of those "stay out of my bedroom, my reproductive organs, and my wallet" type of Libertarian. I'm also guilty of smoking pot. What do you consider a "pot head" and why are we idiots? While I may be the textbook Libertarian I'm not your textbook pothead lol. Maybe back in High School I was a little stoner. I have a high GPA, I'm an honors student, I shower and bathe as I should, and I'm a very responsible American who pays my taxes and helps out the community. I actually have two jobs and I go to school. I've traveled to a few countries and talked to other scientists about a study I'm conducting at my university and even been the guest speaker at seminars on it. I do enjoy a little weed now and then though to bring back the good old days. So please...what exactly about smoking pot makes someone an idiot or are you referring to the stereotypical pothead that talks slow and has greasy hair and no ambition?

I don't know, I'm feeling like this was uncalled for. I said, that I feel folks have every right in the world to smoke what ever they want when they want and however much they want. Why do you really care whether I think it's stupid or not? Go right ahead do what you want. As long as I don't have to pay for it, I don't care. Like you, I feel that what you do in your bedroom is your business. We're on the same side here.

illudium_phosdex · Apr 28, 2009

Dry Land Fish said:
You said that you thought people who smoked pot were idiots. I was wondering what constituted that view. I don't care what you think about it personally as I'm still going to do whatever I want and you will still have your own views. Just wondering why you think pot smokers are idiots. I know a lot of very intelligent people who smoke pot and aren't on welfare. Why do people think that people who smoke pot are on welfare anyway? The people that I smoke pot with occasionally are people with jobs and homes and are productive people. Is that just a stigma that society puts on those who smoke because of the government propaganda? I dislike drinking and I'm too old to do other drugs. Pot is my beer. Some people have a beer on the weekends. I smoke some pot.

Actually I said, "I'm not a pot head and personally think those who are, are idiots but they have every right in the world to be idiots if they wish."

There is a difference between a pot head and a social smoker. You even implied the same yourself when you said you used to be a stoner in high school basically saying that the way in which you smoked then is different than how you smoke now. Then you mentioned the stereotypical pothead with the slow speech, blah, blah blah. There is a difference and I realize that. Do you think that you would be able to do all the things you've done if you were buzzed 24/7? Maybe you are one of the few who could but there are probably hundreds of others who can't function in that state.

I also think people who drink in excess are idiots, again they have the right to do as they wish in the privacy of their own home. And as long as I don't have to pay for the treatment of detox or cirrhosis, I could care less what they do to themselves. I do think that when they take it out of their home and onto the road, they should be thrown somewhere and the key thrown away forever because at that point, they are bringing it into my backyard. And while I think excessive drinkers are morons mainly for letting themselves get into that shape in the first place, that doesn't mean that I don't have a social drink on occasion. It's all about responsibility.

I'll tell you this too. If I owned a business and had the choice of hiring two people whose credentials were identical and one was a weekend pot smoker and the other a weekend drinker, I'd choose the pot smoker because that person would most likely be able to come into work on Monday morning and work whereas the weekend drinker may very well be hung over and definitely in no shape to work on Monday.

Theo Lojan · May 15, 2009

Anyone checked out this site?: reformthelp.org
I'm fully in support of reforming the Libertarian Party to a less radical, less idealistic party.

You can have all the principles you want, but the times they are a-changin and it's going to take more than the words of Thomas Jefferson to get Libertarian candidates elected.

Will the party have to compromise on some issues? Sure. But unless more moderate Libertarians come from the party, no one is going to get elected and so no change will come (not "Obama change"; change in your pocket from tax cuts.)

Zoness · May 19, 2009

Hello! As an informal libertarian I just thought I'd make myself known here

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