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Gwendolyn

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Awww--why "try to make things nice"? Why not call things as they are?: Drugs. And all drugs have the ability to do harm (even the benign aspirin).

All drugs are a choice. But I'd still take chemotherapy over dying prematurely, for example.
 
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Awww--why "try to make things nice"? Why not call things as they are?: Drugs. And all drugs have the ability to do harm (even the benign aspirin).

Better things for better living through chemicals - Dow's TM until 1967

I'd never suggest the excessive use of alcohol and pharmaceutics but its always worked for me - Hunter S Thomson

Keep off the grass - The sign in my neighbor's yard.

You've never seen a baby pigeon has you ? How about a dead pigeon ? That's because pigeon's are actually spies for the planet Xeno who are periodically swapped out and debriefed. Haven't you ever notice whenever there are important people or events lots of pigeons are around ? They're SPYS. - Thom Hartmann

The phone company killed Kennedy, I'm sure of it - Cosmic Charlie
 
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All drugs are a choice. But I'd still take chemotherapy over dying prematurely, for example.

Maybe the drug will help, and maybe in won't. But chemo drugs themselves act to kill cells (hopefully just the cancer before the person.) But I do agree that taking drugs is a choice.
 
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I would rather take meds for a heart condition than not - TRUST me a fast heart could lead to cardiac arrest so taking a lopressor is needed...and it is a choice.
I do in fact chose to take it as needed. :holy: I KNOW STUPID... BUT i forget too often.

And for high cholesterol - another med i would consider necessary or find early death.

As for BC - it's riskier than it is necessary.
 
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It's just that *all* drugs are poisons--some worse than others. There *are* side effects and they may cause other conditions (for instance, my mother would take a perscription for high blood pressure, and then she'd have to take another couple prescriptions for the condition *they* caused, and prescriptions for the condition those caused--it ends up just about living off prescriptions!) *No*drug is necessarily safe. (I'm sure the lowly, benign aspirin wouldn't even pass the FDA tests for safety, but how many of us think nothing of taking a couple when we have a headache, or other ache.) IMO even should we choose to take a drug, it *must* be remembered that it's a poison. IMO all we can hope for is that when we choose to take a drug, the benefits outweigh the damage.
 
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Death-bed repentance or Last Rites within an hour of death, ftw!

That is a huge assumption that one can be repentent when they previously chose evil with the intent of making oneself repentent, as though it was something you can turn on and off at will.

God knows our hearts and minds and deception will be graver sin and a more sure way to Hell with the greatest deception being to oneself. :thumbsup:
 
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Condoms ftw!

Some wisdom and knowledge can be found here for a good Catholic: Response to Guttmacher Institute's Claims On Contraception and Abortion Policy

One little quote:
Fact: To be sure, behind most abortions (and many live births) was an unintended pregnancy. But as GI's own data suggest, simply making "efforts" to reduce pregnancies does not mean one will reduce abortions. Those efforts may fail to reduce total unintended pregnancies; or they may reduce total pregnancies, but encourage more pregnancies to end in abortion. Both phenomena have been found in professional studies on the impact of contraceptive programs.
 
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Death-bed repentance or Last Rites within an hour of death, ftw!

Unfortunately it doesnt work that way.
God is not mocked. We are told not to chose evil on the assumption we can be forgiven in the last minute.

Well that - and we might die suddenly.
 
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So, are you saying that people who live in those nations which put tax dollars toward abortion are in grave sin? And only those wonderful, perfect Americans are able to please God?

I hope not, because that is ignorant.

Besides scriptures saying how narrow the path is to Heaven, Saints given visions saw more going to hell than Heaven.
Fatima comes to mind.

How is it ignorant? We have all this knowledge at our disposal to know. If it were easy it wouldnt be worth it.
 
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So, are you saying that people who live in those nations which put tax dollars toward abortion are in grave sin? And only those wonderful, perfect Americans are able to please God?

I hope not, because that is ignorant.

Actually, all those "ignorant (invincible ignorance)" people will probably still be saved. It is all the knowledgeable Catholics that pay and support abortion that are in need of serious repentance and change.

Even in Canada ;)
 
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Unfortunately it doesnt work that way.
God is not mocked. We are told not to chose evil on the assumption we can be forgiven in the last minute.

Well that - and we might die suddenly.

Reminds me of a joke where a guy does what he wants with the plan that on his death bed he will repent of all his sins and so he wins because he can sin all he wants until then. The funny part is when he dies in his sleep with never a chance at such hoped for repentance.

Call it Murphy's Law or simply God being all knowing not letting a fool get one over on God. :D
 
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Unfortunately it doesnt work that way.
God is not mocked. We are told not to chose evil on the assumption we can be forgiven in the last minute.

Well that - and we might die suddenly.

I find nO small amount of comedy in this statement, coming from you.

I'll contine to pray the Chaplet of Devine Mercy as loved ones die, and I'll continue to trust in God's mercy and His promises.
 
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Here, I just posted this in another thread.

looooooooooooooooool, did you seriously just tell me that ALL the Catholics in Canada are in mortal sin, since some of the taxes in this country fund abortions?

Quick, someone tell Cardinal Ouellet and Cardinal Collins - they shouldn't be serving the pope in mortal sin. And the cardinals from the UK. And the cardinals from Australia. And most of the other Cardinals.

You aren't in mortal sin if your country funds abortions with tax dollars. It is a question of PROXIMITY.

You incur a latae sententiae excommunication if: you drive a woman to her abortion appointment; you are the woman receiving the abortion; you are the doctor who performed the abortion; you are on a health committee that approves an abortion for a patient and are directly responsible for whether or not she receives it (ie, directly telling the doctor to perform the abortion or not). Those people are in CLOSEST PROXIMITY to the abortion - DIRECTLY enabling it.

You do NOT incur an excommunication through simply living in a country that uses tax dollars to fund abortion. Nor are you in mortal sin simply by paying taxes to said government. You aren't in control of HOW they use your taxes. Heck, you don't even know where your particular portion of tax money goes - yours could go to the police force or to a public library, and your neighbours could go to healthcare and somehow end up paying for the anaesthesia used in abortions or the hospital bed that a woman uses after her abortion.

I don't know why I post here. I swear you are all out of your minds. Crazy American individualists with a God complex.
 
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