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Struggles by Non-Christians
Yahweh: Benevolent God of Bloodthirsty Monster?
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<blockquote data-quote="BleedingHeart" data-source="post: 57149069" data-attributes="member: 277139"><p>1. The burden of proof remains on those who make a claim of anything. Saying God exists <em>does </em>require proof, as much as you hate that fact. </p><p> </p><p>"those trying to prove, essentially, that the Universe accidentally and for no particular reason or purpose created itself out of nothing in an unknown manner"</p><p>I don't think that. And for that matter, no atheists I've ever talked to has ever said that he thinks that. Nor or are we trying to prove it. </p><p>In order for atheist to think the universe "was an accident", we'd have to believe that there was a being that made a mistake while developing it. We don't. Once again, you are wrong. </p><p> </p><p>2. Try to avoid analogies. Any idiot can make an analogy to present himself in a good light, not to mention they try to simplify rather complicated issues. For instance, I can say a better, and more accurate analogy would be that an atheist and theists are standing watching a sunset. </p><p>Theist: there's a giant man pushing it through the sky.</p><p>Atheist: Giant man? I don't see anything?</p><p>Theist: That's because you are blind to his giantness.</p><p>Atheist: But I can see.</p><p>Theist: You can, but you can't really, <em>really</em> see.</p><p>Atheist: Can you prove that he is there?</p><p>Theist: I don't have to because its <em>obvious.</em></p><p>Atheist: Right....[walks away slowly]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BleedingHeart, post: 57149069, member: 277139"] 1. The burden of proof remains on those who make a claim of anything. Saying God exists [I]does [/I]require proof, as much as you hate that fact. "those trying to prove, essentially, that the Universe accidentally and for no particular reason or purpose created itself out of nothing in an unknown manner" I don't think that. And for that matter, no atheists I've ever talked to has ever said that he thinks that. Nor or are we trying to prove it. In order for atheist to think the universe "was an accident", we'd have to believe that there was a being that made a mistake while developing it. We don't. Once again, you are wrong. 2. Try to avoid analogies. Any idiot can make an analogy to present himself in a good light, not to mention they try to simplify rather complicated issues. For instance, I can say a better, and more accurate analogy would be that an atheist and theists are standing watching a sunset. Theist: there's a giant man pushing it through the sky. Atheist: Giant man? I don't see anything? Theist: That's because you are blind to his giantness. Atheist: But I can see. Theist: You can, but you can't really, [I]really[/I] see. Atheist: Can you prove that he is there? Theist: I don't have to because its [I]obvious.[/I] Atheist: Right....[walks away slowly] [/QUOTE]
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