X-Men: The Last Stand

[Rorschach]

Ratner is going to run an awesome franchise into the ground -_-

Come on, seriously, ANOTHER "mutant" cure plot device? That was already done in the first two films and they're doing it AGAIN? Whoever's doing the script for X3 are cooking a recipe for disaster.

Just because there are cool battles doesn't mean the movie will be good. Fox seems to have a rep for ruining good franchies. They cancel Family Guy and Firefly, and then they try to rush X3 and push Bryan Singer away.

But I'm really crossing my fingers that this movie won't bomb, even though I think it will

 

[Nightwing]

Ratner is going to run an awesome franchise into the ground -_-

Come on, seriously, ANOTHER "mutant" cure plot device? That was already done in the first two films and they're doing it AGAIN? Whoever's doing the script for X3 are cooking a recipe for disaster.

Just because there are cool battles doesn't mean the movie will be good. Fox seems to have a rep for ruining good franchies. They cancel Family Guy and Firefly, and then they try to rush X3 and push Bryan Singer away.

But I'm really crossing my fingers that this movie won't bomb, even though I think it will

Another mutant cure plot device? If I remember correctly, the plot of X-men focused on mutant registration/turning world leaders into mutants. The plot of X2 revolved around the elimination of mutants by a psychotic general with the use of the most powerful mutant. And in X3, the main plot is the introduction of a supposed mutant cure. That's vastly different than the previous 2 movies.

 

[awesome liver]

this movie will be horrendous; let's not forget the last time fox messed with a franchise -- ALIEN VS. PREDATOR. james camerson wanted to work on the script. buy noooooooooo let's ditch the artist who takes his time to make a quick buck. now instead of anderson, we get ratner. nope, not bitter at all.

 

[Nightwing]

this movie will be horrendous; let's not forget the last time fox messed with a franchise -- ALIEN VS. PREDATOR. james camerson wanted to work on the script. buy noooooooooo let's ditch the artist who takes his time to make a quick buck. now instead of anderson, we get ratner. nope, not bitter at all.

I don't think it'll be close to horrendous, but it won't be as good as the first two. Mainly because of the rushed production.

 

[WalkOn]

It's going to be terrible, which is a crying shame. Stupid studio rushed the whole thing rather than waiting to make it a truly great movie. Juggernaut's muscle suit looks utterly ridiculous. They also have taken a "hey let's throw in every character we possibly can" angle which is always a recipe for disaster. I love the other 2 movies. I want this to be great. But let's be realistic. Things do not bode well.

I like how everyone who says it's going to be terrible knows this without even seeing a final product. The Studio didn't rush anything. X-Men and X2 both had a year from principle photography to release. The same is true with X3. They started writing the script in January. They signed all the cast and crew before shooting began in late July. It's not really rushed, it's more on a tight schedule but not rushed. Juggernaut's suit isn't all that bad. It's based on the Ultimate design. Plus they may add CGI enhancments to it. Also, the "hey let's throw in every character we possibly can" angle is not what your making it out to be. Most of the characters that have been announced besides the main cast are cameo's that the writer's gave names to, to please the fans. It doesn't mean they are going to take up all the screen time or focus on every single one of them.

Ratner is going to run an awesome franchise into the ground -_-

Come on, seriously, ANOTHER "mutant" cure plot device? That was already done in the first two films and they're doing it AGAIN? Whoever's doing the script for X3 are cooking a recipe for disaster.

Just because there are cool battles doesn't mean the movie will be good. Fox seems to have a rep for ruining good franchies. They cancel Family Guy and Firefly, and then they try to rush X3 and push Bryan Singer away.

But I'm really crossing my fingers that this movie won't bomb, even though I think it will

The first two films did not deal with a cure to make mutants normal. Read Nightwing's post about that. X3 is using the mutant cure storyline from the Joss Whedon run of Astonishing X-Men. The reason they are using that is to further the subtext of the X-Men films, that of acceptance. The cure storyline is not the only story arc they will use as the Phoenix is front and center as well. They didn't push Singer away. Yes they took too long to sign him but he was the one who took the opportunity to direct Superman Returns. Bryan Singer is a great director but not the be all end all of director's.

this movie will be horrendous; let's not forget the last time fox messed with a franchise -- ALIEN VS. PREDATOR. james camerson wanted to work on the script. buy noooooooooo let's ditch the artist who takes his time to make a quick buck. now instead of anderson, we get ratner. nope, not bitter at all.

Again, you have not seen the final product so you do not know if it will be "horrendous." Alien VS. Predator was a horrible idea to begin with. Plus it's like apples and oranges. A vs P was not the third film of a trilogy. It was a vs. movie. Fox made that movie with every intention from the beginning to be made cheap to turn a profit. X3 is budgeted in the 150+ range and the cast and crew are trying to make a solid/great epic film. It would be well to have an open mind about X3.




Here's an interesting quote from Ratner which should ease the mind of those who think he is going to ruin the X-Men franchise.

"[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I think, like I said, that it was very important for me to stick the tone from Bryan and the actors. My input, really, is to try to make a more emotional film, a film with more heart and more pathos. I wanted to try tell the story and act as if this is a trilogy and this is the third of the series. Go in there and not reinvent it, not make it a Brett Ratner film, but stay with the formula that's worked in the past.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And just add more heart. I'm a very emotional guy. I like emotion. I like feeling something in a movie. And the audiences care about these characters so much, it was very important for me to stay true to who they were and not re-invent it."

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[WalkOn]

Anyone interested in the newest X-Men film should read the set review that took place back in December.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=3888

This set report should renew the confidence in the X-franchise for those skeptical about the latest film.

 

[awesome liver]

angel looks horrendous. he doesn't look angelic at all but instead a mental ward patient whose head is deformed. slap some green make-up on him and he looks like the alien anchorman in futurama.

 

[WalkOn]

angel looks horrendous. he doesn't look angelic at all but instead a mental ward patient whose head is deformed. slap some green make-up on him and he looks like the alien anchorman in futurama.

Is every one of your posts in this thread going to be dripping with negativity?

Plus, you think everything is horrendous. Angel looks fine. Ben Foster is a great actor and has really put a great deal of effort into this role. He has bulked up and gotten into shape and is taking the role seriously.

At least wait till the final product is released and you actually see it before making idiotic statements.

 

[awesome liver]

you keep saying wait till the final product but how many films do you pre-judge based on a director's track record?

 

[WalkOn]

you keep saying wait till the final product but how many films do you pre-judge based on a director's track record?

I'm actually really good at not pre-judging a movie before I see it. I usually have an open mind about a film going into it.

 

[awesome liver]

yeah see, i wasn't upset when ratner was first chosen to direct. i was almost optimistic that maybe he has found his groove. and then the set pics, the costume designs, and actors he chose surfaced and the dormant rage reared its head.

 

[WalkOn]

yeah see, i wasn't upset when ratner was first chosen to direct. i was almost optimistic that maybe he has found his groove. and then the set pics, the costume designs, and actors he chose surfaced and the dormant rage reared its head.

Well, I guess they can't please everyone. I'm sure I may have some nitpicks with the film but overall I like what I'm seeing. Grammer as Beast is spot on casting. Foster as Angel is an interesting choice. He is a good actor and even though not really angelic looking, I'm sure he will pull off the emotional side of Angel. The costume designs don't bother me as they really didn't change much from the previous films. The set pics don't bother me because they are not the final product. Some have been better than others but they are still working on visual effects in post-production so I'm sure they will touch up alot of what we have seen. They are doing some interesting things visual effects wise that I think will probably blow alot of people away.

Overall, I am really anticipating this film and think it will be a worthy entry into the X-franchise. While not all will agree, I feel come May 26, people who were sceptical will have a change of heart.

 

[Rorschach]

Another mutant cure plot device? If I remember correctly, the plot of X-men focused on mutant registration/turning world leaders into mutants. The plot of X2 revolved around the elimination of mutants by a psychotic general with the use of the most powerful mutant. And in X3, the main plot is the introduction of a supposed mutant cure. That's vastly different than the previous 2 movies.

The plot oft he first X-men had Magneto trying to turn humans into mutants, in X3 its just switched around. Haven't seen X2 in a while so I'll admit my knowlege of the plot is a little fuzzy. But the general's plot in the movie was to get rid of mutants.

In X3 that's the same plot, get rid of mutants with a cure. That's what I meant by plot device. I was hoping they'd go in a different direction. Sorry, I'll try and explain myself better in future posts

The first two films did not deal with a cure to make mutants normal. Read Nightwing's post about that. X3 is using the mutant cure storyline from the Joss Whedon run of Astonishing X-Men. The reason they are using that is to further the subtext of the X-Men films, that of acceptance. The cure storyline is not the only story arc they will use as the Phoenix is front and center as well. They didn't push Singer away. Yes they took too long to sign him but he was the one who took the opportunity to direct Superman Returns. Bryan Singer is a great director but not the be all end all of director's.

I think they should dump the whole mutant cure thing altogether. But if it does turn out to create the legacy virus, that would be an interesting twist. However, they wouldn't have time to do that since this is supposed to be the last X-men movie.

I realize Singer isn't the greatest directors of all but he started the franchise and I'd rather see HIM finish it, not someone like Ratner. Not to mention I'm hearing rumors of them killing off or "curing" main characters because this is the last X-men film. I think that's stupid, to kill off major characters just because this is set to be the last film?

Well I won't judge it fully till its released. I just hope your right and the movie turns out to be pretty good, although I don't think it will be as great as it could have been had Singer been directing it.

 

[WalkOn]

I think they should dump the whole mutant cure thing altogether. But if it does turn out to create the legacy virus, that would be an interesting twist. However, they wouldn't have time to do that since this is supposed to be the last X-men movie.

I realize Singer isn't the greatest directors of all but he started the franchise and I'd rather see HIM finish it, not someone like Ratner. Not to mention I'm hearing rumors of them killing off or "curing" main characters because this is the last X-men film. I think that's stupid, to kill off major characters just because this is set to be the last film?

Well I won't judge it fully till its released. I just hope your right and the movie turns out to be pretty good, although I don't think it will be as great as it could have been had Singer been directing it.

I have been following X3 since it first started production and from what I understand the cure may actually kill mutants than cure them which would mean it would basically be the "legacy virus." This is not the last X-Men film. This is the last film in this current trilogy, or story arc. Ratner and the producers have said (especially in the set report released this week) that there will be more X-Men films if this one does good box office wise.

I know how you feel about wanting Singer to complete the trilogy. I wanted him to complete his vision. Unfortunately, things didn't play out like that. Both Fox and Singer have some fault in how things played out but at the moment we can't do anything about it. I wish Singer well with Supes and know he will make an enjoyable film. Ratner is a very enthusiastic guy and loves comic books and he loves the X-Men. He respects what Singer did in the previous two films and has said he is following in Singer's tone. He's not making a Brett Ratner film, he's just completing the trilogy off with the variables that have been set with the previous films.

I'm glad your waiting till the final product is released before judging it. I think it may surpise everyone and be a solid and good, maybe great, X-Men film. Who knows we may get lucky and it will be as good as X2.

 

[Rorschach]

I dunno man, I just have a bad feeling about this movie. I also hear he's killing off some major characters because he wants this to be the last X-men movie.

I just think that's ridiculous.

 

[WalkOn]

Well the killing of major character's is still unknown. But if some do perish it wasn't Ratner's idea. If anyone dies it will be because the writers wrote it in. I'll say this, as long as they do it the right way then I wouldn't be as mad with anyone getting wacked. I probably won't be happy, but I mean, this is supposed to be an all out war and sometimes in war things like that happen. I guess it depends on how it's executed on film.

Oh and believe me, I had a bad feeling about the movie too. But the more I keep track of and read news about the movie the better I feel.

 

[Rorschach]

Its good that you've got faith in the movie. I still don't trust Ratner though. I just think they're trying to cram way too much into this movie, what with all the new mutants and all.

 

[awesome liver]

this movie will turn into the matrix reloaded and revolutions. bigger budget means bigger heap.

 

[WalkOn]

Its good that you've got faith in the movie. I still don't trust Ratner though. I just think they're trying to cram way too much into this movie, what with all the new mutants and all.

Character wise the only big additions are Beast and Angel. Juggs is a henchman and the other's who they have given names too are mostly cameo's. It's really not that much bigger than the previous films in terms of characters.

 

[Rorschach]

Oh they have more new characters than that. I'll come back with the full list later but one of the new additions is Omega Red. OMEGA RED! He's one of the coolest villians in my opinion but they're cramming him in there anyway, probably only giving him a few minutes of fame before they have Wolverine finish him off.