Wuhan scientists planned to release coronavirus particles into cave bats

[whatbogsends]

Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans, leaked grant proposals dating from 2018 show.

New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles and aerosols containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.

They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.

Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration, show they were hoping to introduce “human-specific cleavage sites” to bat coronaviruses which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells.

When Covid-19 was first genetically sequenced, scientists were puzzled about how the virus had evolved such a human-specific adaptation at the cleavage site on the spike protein, which is the reason it is so infectious.
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The bid was submitted by British zoologist Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance, the US-based organisation, which has worked closely with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researching bat coronaviruses.

Wuhan scientists planned to release coronavirus particles into cave bats, leaked papers reveal

 

[Tom 1]

Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans, leaked grant proposals dating from 2018 show.

New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles and aerosols containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.

They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.

Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration, show they were hoping to introduce “human-specific cleavage sites” to bat coronaviruses which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells.

When Covid-19 was first genetically sequenced, scientists were puzzled about how the virus had evolved such a human-specific adaptation at the cleavage site on the spike protein, which is the reason it is so infectious.
...
The bid was submitted by British zoologist Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance, the US-based organisation, which has worked closely with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researching bat coronaviruses.

Wuhan scientists planned to release coronavirus particles into cave bats, leaked papers reveal

You could try for a more balanced presentation. From your last link:

'Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans'

Bad idea maybe, but the way you have put it makes it sound like the intention was to develop a bioweapon. That isn't where the information on this leads.

 

[Astrid]

China is not without concerning issues.
The USA is not like totally 100% terrif either.

Nothing is gained by falsifying issues, there are
sufficient real ones.

 

[Astrid]

You could try for a more balanced presentation. From your last link:

'Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans'

Bad idea maybe, but the way you have put it makes it sound like the intention was to develop a bioweapon. That isn't where the information on this leads.

All sorts of things get proposed and talked about.
The USA planned an a-bomb in the Aleutians to see
if it's a good way to make a harbour.

 

[Nithavela]

All sorts of things get proposed and talked about.
The USA planned an a-bomb in the Aleutians to see
if it's a good way to make a harbour.

The interesting part would be showing that it was actually done.

 

[whatbogsends]

You could try for a more balanced presentation. From your last link:

'Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans'

Bad idea maybe, but the way you have put it makes it sound like the intention was to develop a bioweapon. That isn't where the information on this leads.

They may have had good intentions, but they also have not been forthcoming with their research. This information came from a leak, not from those involved volunteering information.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Now we're making threads about *FAILED* (aka, rejected) proposals?

If the "open source" group investigating COVID origins is surfacing and *promoting* rejected proposals, then they are truly off the rails.

All kinds of things are proposed and proposals are often rejected because the reviewers think the proposal is a bad idea or couldn't work. (My first proposal was effectively rejected because the reviewers didn't think I could complete the work in the allotted time. I disagree, but that was that.)

The "virus nano particle" inoculation idea sounds interesting, except that how do you inoculate enough bats against enough coronaviruses to make bat-to-human transmission unlikely in the future? It was probably impractical even if they could inoculate most bats against a few viruses in a single cave during a test.

"Gain-of-function" research sounds increasingly like a *bad* idea. It seems like the virology and public health communities have been trending that way for years. (Viruses also make very bad bioweapons, since you'd want one that spreads well and that could very well blow back on your own people.)

 

[Hans Blaster]

They may have had good intentions, but they also have not been forthcoming with their research. This information came from a leak, not from those involved volunteering information.

Most agencies do not publish the text of *failed* proposals. This protects the ideas of the submitters so they can try a better version later without being "scooped" and having someone else get funded for their novel ideas.

 

[Sparagmos]

Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans, leaked grant proposals dating from 2018 show.

New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles and aerosols containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.

They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.

Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration, show they were hoping to introduce “human-specific cleavage sites” to bat coronaviruses which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells.

When Covid-19 was first genetically sequenced, scientists were puzzled about how the virus had evolved such a human-specific adaptation at the cleavage site on the spike protein, which is the reason it is so infectious.
...
The bid was submitted by British zoologist Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance, the US-based organisation, which has worked closely with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researching bat coronaviruses.

Wuhan scientists planned to release coronavirus particles into cave bats, leaked papers reveal

So did that actually happen?

 

[whatbogsends]

So did that actually happen?

Wholly unclear. It is, however, another reason why Peter Dazsak needs to be questioned.

 

[BobRyan]

the claim in the OP is that they were trying to stop bats from transmitting to humans by inoculating them against the virus and stopping them from infecting humans... but then confusingly that same post makes it appear that they were trying to make a bat-to-human pathway so bats could infect humans with it.

Which is it???

can't have it both ways.

 

[whatbogsends]

the claim in the OP is that they were trying to stop bats from transmitting to humans by inoculating them against the virus and stopping them from infecting humans... but then confusingly that same post makes it appear that they were trying to make a bat-to-human pathway so bats could infect humans with it.

Which is it???

can't have it both ways.

Read the full article. Personally, i'd like to see the actual documents that were released.

The plan appears to have been "to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles and aerosols containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats". It sounds like this was an aerosol version of a "vaccine" similar to the current Covid vaccines in that it would use the spike proteins to be the "inoculation".

That being said, they would have to create chimeric coronaviruses which have higher transmissibility in order to use for their aerosol vaccine.

Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration, show they were hoping to introduce “human-specific cleavage sites” to bat coronaviruses which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells.
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The proposal also included plans to mix high-risk natural coronavirus strains with more infectious but less dangerous varieties.
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Darpa refused to fund the work, saying: “It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk”, and warned that the team had not properly considered the dangers of enhancing the virus (gain of function research) or releasing a vaccine by air.

It would appear that you can "have it both ways" when you need to create chimeric coronaviruses with human cleavages sites in order to facilitate the creation of a "vaccine".

 

[dqhall]

Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans, leaked grant proposals dating from 2018 show.

New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles and aerosols containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.

They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.

Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration, show they were hoping to introduce “human-specific cleavage sites” to bat coronaviruses which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells.

When Covid-19 was first genetically sequenced, scientists were puzzled about how the virus had evolved such a human-specific adaptation at the cleavage site on the spike protein, which is the reason it is so infectious.
...
The bid was submitted by British zoologist Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance, the US-based organisation, which has worked closely with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researching bat coronaviruses.

Wuhan scientists planned to release coronavirus particles into cave bats, leaked papers reveal

A bat coronavirus infected some miners in a province far from Wuhan. It killed several miners. This was one of the viruses rumored to be studied at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. You are trying to tell me they got grant money to try to make it more lethal and turn it loose on society? I do not believe you. You do not link to a reputable news source.
Lethal Pneumonia Cases in Mojiang Miners (2012) and the Mineshaft Could Provide Important Clues to the Origin of SARS-CoV-2

 

[whatbogsends]

A bat coronavirus infected some miners in a province far from Wuhan. It killed several miners. This was one of the viruses rumored to be studied at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. You are trying to tell me they got grant money to try to make it more lethal and turn it loose on society? I do not believe you. You do not link to a reputable news source.
Lethal Pneumonia Cases in Mojiang Miners (2012) and the Mineshaft Could Provide Important Clues to the Origin of SARS-CoV-2

No, i'm (and the article) am telling you that they sought funding, and part of their proposal included making a virus more infectious.

While this grant was not funded, it is in line with other funding that Daszak and the Wuhan Institute of Virology did get.

"Multiple sections of the grant proposals and grant progress reports make it clear that the grants funded gain-of-function research of concern in Wuhan," he said.

"Two especially noteworthy sections are page 28 and Figure 35 of the year four progress report on the first five year grant term (1R01-AI110964) and page 3, Figure 6, of the proposal for a second five-year grant term (2R01-AI110964)."

Ebright said these sections of the documents show that NIH grants supported the construction of mutant SARS-related coronaviruses that involved blending different types together. The result was a lab-generated virus that could infect human cells, he said, adding that at least three of the lab-generated viruses "exhibited >10x to >100x higher viral loads in humanized mice."

Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, New Documents Appear To Show (newsweek.com)

 

[rambot]

Simple, easy question:
Was the grant proposal accepted. That would be an expensive procedure that would certainly leave a signficant papertrail.
But it sounds like it was rejected. Did I understand that right?

 

[whatbogsends]

Simple, easy question:
Was the grant proposal accepted. That would be an expensive procedure that would certainly leave a signficant papertrail.
But it sounds like it was rejected. Did I understand that right?

The grant described in the OP was sought by Peter Daszak and it was rejected (at least by DARPA).

Daszak is the same person who owns the grants funded by the NIH which did involve creating chimeric bat corona viruses with enhanced transmissibility in humans. That grant was funded and there were 900+ pages of documents released (referenced in post #14).

 

[Hans Blaster]

The grant described in the OP was sought by Peter Daszak and it was rejected (at least by DARPA).

Daszak is the same person who owns the grants funded by the NIH which did involve creating chimeric bat corona viruses with enhanced transmissibility in humans. That grant was funded and there were 900+ pages of documents released (referenced in post #14).

Does this person and the grant he was awarded (not "owned") have anything to do directly with the items in the OP, or is this just to muddy the waters?

 

[whatbogsends]

Does this person and the grant he was awarded (not "owned") have anything to do directly with the items in the OP, or is this just to muddy the waters?

How is putting grants that Dazsak sought in context with grants that he was awarded "muddying the waters"?

 

[Hans Blaster]

How is putting grants that Dazsak sought in context with grants that he was awarded "muddying the waters"?

`cause the excerpt from the article given in the OP clearly talks about *just* the "uncovered" grant proposals. (And those are frankly "so what".) (The full Telegraph article twists things in a fashion worthy of the disinformation levels I've seen here on CF.)

 

[whatbogsends]

`cause the excerpt from the article given in the OP clearly talks about *just* the "uncovered" grant proposals. (And those are frankly "so what".) (The full Telegraph article twists things in a fashion worthy of the disinformation levels I've seen here on CF.)

Yes, the article in the OP talks about *just* the grant proposals. *I* also talked about another grant that Dr. Dazsak worked on which was approved, and he did perform gain of function research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan.

Just because Darpa refused to fund his proposal talked about in the OP doesn't mean that the work stopped entirely. Dazsak was all about building chimeric coronaviruses. Progress reports on his other grants show that he was making them more infectious in humans.

It's fascinating that people still even consider his statement condemning lab leak theory, much less refer to it as authoritative, when he didn't even disclose his conflicts of interest (nor did the other signers of that statement).