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Writing a paper on prayer...a vision of worship...but

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I am writing a paper on prayer (I'm attending a Protestant seminary)...we have been asked to share our vision of worship - this vision is supposed to focus on one feature of worship (ie. music, prayer, architecture...etc.) and I have chosen prayer. Now why I am telling you all this (well you're all such a nice a group of people :) )?

As Orthodox how does prayer fit in to a (I say 'a' because I would assume there is no such thing as 'your' - in the Protestant church there seems to be all too much autonomy - but rather 'a' way of doing things as passed on through tradition) vision of worship (we have talked about prayer in the Orthodox church before)...what would be ideal in a worship service (liturgical service)? If you were writing the paper what would you say?

I might as well come right out and ask: would anyone like to write my paper for me?;)

Thanks everyone. If I have just confused the issue (and I am confused right now) feel free to ignore this thread.
 

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I think, correct me if you disagree, most Orthodox would say that our worship is really centralized on participation in the Mystical Supper (communion) where we partake of Christ's divine nature. Our service, the Divine Liturgy, is full of symbolism and proclamations of our faith in Christ and brings us to Christ's banquet table, the Eucharist. I would say any other worship would be incomplete without this participation in Christ.

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Right, to what I wrote I would also add that Orthodox worship, like the Jewish worship which proceeded it, incorporates all the senses--our temples are beautifully adorned with icons, we use incense symbolizing our prayers rising to heaven, and chant our services.

It's truly beautiful.

Basil
 
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Well, one of the things that I find beautiful about Orthodox prayer is that it generally involves the whole body. Not only do we cross ourselves when we pray (usually lots of times, but especially when the Trinity is invoked), we also do quite a bit of kneeling, bowing, and prostrating. These are physical acts of humility and contrition, as well as giving the honor that is befitting of the King of Kings. At the beginning of Great Lent, most Orthodox churches have a service in which the Canon of St. Andrew of Crete is read. I think there are about 100 prostrations that are made by the people during that service. Obviously, that service is very much focused on repentence (more so than usual).

Another remarkable thing about Orthodox prayer is that pretty much every prayer is focused on our desire and need for God's mercy. We ask the Lord to have mercy on us numerous times at all services. Visitors definitely notice this as being unique compared to other churches.

Oh, many of us also raise our arms in prayer. This doesn't look like the charismatic evangelical method of worshipping, but this type of prayer "stance" (for lack of a better term) has been a Tradition in Orthodoxy for centuries and can be seen in many icons, such as this one of the Mother of God:
 
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Lex orandi, lex credendi.

The rule of prayer is the rule of belief.

The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is 99% taken from the Holy Scriptures. This Divine Liturgy is the ultimate prayer - true worship because we are giving praise and thanksgiving (Eucharist) to God. It is the work of the people in that we prepare the bread and wine and offer that to God and He gives us the Precious Body and Blood in exchange. Oh the wonder! How great is our God.
 
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Heavenly Worship

http://www.protomartyr.org/heaven.html

‘Even though the Church on earth lives simultaneously in two dimensions, the heavenly and the earthly, her worship is focused on the heavenly realm. God does not come to where we are that we might worship Him. Rather, we go to where He is, to His heavenly Kingdom, to the heavenly Holy of Holies. This is clear in the Divine Liturgy of the Orthodox Church which begins with the words, "Blessed is the Kingdom of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen." Our worship begins with an announcement of God's Kingdom which is present here and now. Then begins our ascent into the heavenlies! From a physical standpoint, we gather for worship in a place of worship, a Churchbuilding with icons, candles, incense, and an altar-all of which are biblical and necessary. But in a mystery, our worship is conducted in the heavenlies. Present are: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, the holy angels, and the saints enrolled in heaven. In worship during the Divine Liturgy, the Church on earth joins the Church in heaven … in praise and thanksgiving to the Blessed Trinity...In Isaiah 6:1-7, we see worship in heaven through the eyes of the Prophet Isaiah who lived in the years surrounding 700 B.C. He was caught up into the heavenly dimension and describes for us what took place. He says, "I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple." Present as well were the seraphim singing: "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of hosts; The whole earth is full of His glory." Isaiah goes on to describe a heavenly altar, the smoke of incense, and the door of entrance. It is significant that one of the seraphim takes a set of tongs and removes a coal from the altar and with it touches Isaiah's lips, saying, "Behold this has touched your lips, your iniquity is taken away, and your sin is purged." For anyone acquainted with Orthodox worship, this line will sound familiar. It is very similar to that spoken by the officiant at the Divine Liturgy just after he himself receives Holy Communion. Clearly the Church has not overlooked the connection between Isaiah's vision and the Holy Eucharist! My friend, heavenly worship is reality, our ultimate reality...Just as Isaiah experienced the liturgy of heaven, so we, too, joined to Christ and risen with Him in the heavenlies, may enter His presence in heavenly worship.

‘The New Testament passage I wish to point out is the twelfth chapter of Hebrews. The passage begins by reminding us that "we are surrounded" by a great cloud of witnesses-not all that unlike the heavenly hosts in the Gehazi Episode. These witnesses are the saints who have gone on before us to their rest, in this case, those the author of Hebrews has just mentioned in the previous chapter: the "greats" of Old Testament times. Then, toward the end of Hebrews 12, we read again of our ascent as Christians into the heavenly realm. For we have come "to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and Church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the New Covenant . . . ." It would be difficult to mistake what is happening here, would it not? The Church on earth is actually stepping into the heavenly dimension for worship. The Lord is present as are the saints and the angels-the entire host of the Church in heaven. What an array! I cannot imagine why an Orthodox Christian would shrink back from any opportunity to experience this celestial encounter with the Triune God every time the doors of the Church are opened.’
 
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I was thrilled when I saw that there were 7 replies to my post...but no offers to write my paper.:(

Well, one of the things that I find beautiful about Orthodox prayer is that it generally involves the whole body. Not only do we cross ourselves when we pray (usually lots of times, but especially when the Trinity is invoked), we also do quite a bit of kneeling, bowing, and prostrating. These are physical acts of humility and contrition, as well as giving the honor that is befitting of the King of Kings. At the beginning of Great Lent, most Orthodox churches have a service in which the Canon of St. Andrew of Crete is read. I think there are about 100 prostrations that are made by the people during that service. Obviously, that service is very much focused on repentence (more so than usual).

Excellent. I find that very helpful.

Oh, many of us also raise our arms in prayer.

Yes, I remember reading that about the early church.


‘Even though the Church on earth lives simultaneously in two dimensions, the heavenly and the earthly, her worship is focused on the heavenly realm. God does not come to where we are that we might worship Him. Rather, we go to where He is, to His heavenly Kingdom, to the heavenly Holy of Holies.

I love that.

The Church on earth is actually stepping into the heavenly dimension for worship. The Lord is present as are the saints and the angels-the entire host of the Church in heaven. What an array! I cannot imagine why an Orthodox Christian would shrink back from any opportunity to experience this celestial encounter with the Triune God every time the doors of the Church are opened.’

I will remember that...a good reminder.

This is all very good. Thank you everyone...you are rounding out my paper.
 
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Grand_Duchess-Elizaveta said:
Oh, many of us also raise our arms in prayer.
Stefan Davidovich said:
Yes, I remember reading that about the early church.

But remember that, according to Church practice for the last 16 or so centuries, only priests and bishops pray with extended arms during the Divine Services, deacons pray extending one arm, and we the faithful raise our arms not at all.

Back to your regularly scheduled "Task Force for the Writing of Stefan Davidovich's Paper". :D
 
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Prayer is all-encompassing, as others have said. It is to be mind, soul, body, etc... united.

It is a work. Sometimes it is painful... too many protestrations, perhaps, or sweating drops of blood.

It is an eternity. It starts with the saints and the angels praying for us... until we can voice our own prayers... and it continues past the time of our death into eternity.

It is to be without ceasing. In this lifetime, it is possible for prayer to move past the mind and into the heart so that prayer does not end when our lips are done moving. The hesychastic fathers advocated the Jesus Prayer to this end.

It is joy. It is union and communion with God. It is being lifted up into the heavenlies. It is experiencing the awful, the terrible, the awesome, the majestic, the holy, the beautiful, the miraculous, the ineffable. It is life itself to the Christian.

-Vasya.
 
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It is a work. Sometimes it is painful... too many protestrations, perhaps, or sweating drops of blood.

It is an eternity. It starts with the saints and the angels praying for us... until we can voice our own prayers... and it continues past the time of our death into eternity.

It is to be without ceasing. In this lifetime, it is possible for prayer to move past the mind and into the heart so that prayer does not end when our lips are done moving. The hesychastic fathers advocated the Jesus Prayer to this end.

It is joy. It is union and communion with God. It is being lifted up into the heavenlies. It is experiencing the awful, the terrible, the awesome, the majestic, the holy, the beautiful, the miraculous, the ineffable. It is life itself to the Christian.

Wow. Can I quote you?
 
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Stefan Davidovich said:
Wow. Can I quote you?
Sure. Just so long as you realize that I have barely started to pray. I speak of things I know not, of things beyond me.

I have tasted a little joy, a smidgeon of that union I spoke of... and it overwhelmed my soul. How much more will Heaven be? And how much more could my life be ... if only I am willing to embrace Him, to chase after Him? The Desert Fathers spoke of this movement towards God:

"Abba Lot went to Abba Joseph and said to him, 'Abba, as far as I can I say my little office, I fast a little, I pray and meditate, I live in peace and as far as I can, I purify my thoughts. What else can I do?' Then the old man stood up and stretched his hands towards heaven. His fingers became like ten lamps of fire and he said to him, 'If you will, you can become all flame.' "
 
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I think your article would be served well by reading Bp. ANTHONY Bloom's Beginning to Pray. I cannot reccommend this book highly enough. You can read excerpts online at Amazon.com. At just over a hundred pages, this book is a fairly short (and highly compelling) read.

Also, I second GDE's statement about praying with uplifted hands. I began doing this after seeing my priest do so during the Lord's Prayer and after meditating on the icon of the Mother of God of the Sign that adorns the apse over the altar at our parent parish in Houston. Perhaps this is, as Julio notes, a practice that has become uncommon. Fr. Anthony Coniaris devotes two sections of his chapter on "Physical Postures as Symbols of Prayer" to praying with uplifted hands in his book Sacred Symbols that Speak, Vol. II.
When praying at the holy table the priest often lifts his hands upward as an external expression of the movement of the soul upward to God. Lifting one's hands in prayer is an ancient Jewish tradition of which the psalms speak so often. We stretch out our hands to God for help.

It is a very natural and expressive religious symbol, a sound prayer gesture. We remember Moses praying with uplifted hands for victory over the enemy. As long as his hands remained uplifted in prayer, victory was with the Isrealites. But when through fatigue he lowered his hands the enemy prevailed. His friends came to his assistance, helping him hold up his weary hands in prayer.

When I use this gesture in prayer, I imagine my lifted hands forming an empty cup and I pray, "Lord, I come to You as an empty cup. Without You I shall remain empty. Fill my emptiness to overflowing with Your Holy Spirit."
Another meaningful gesture of prayer is the open palm, as with the Orans, the figure of a woman praying, her hands open and raised with the palms upward. The Orans is found on the walls of the catacombs in Rome. We do not pray with a balled-up, clenched fist, holding on tightly to our past hatreds and sins. We open them to the One Who comes to heal. We dare to let go and surrender our fears and anxieties. Our hand relaxes slowly as the palms spread out in a gesture of receiving and openness to God.

Forgive me, a sinner.:bow:

 
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Thank you everyone for your help on this. I have saved those sites to my favorites and will continue to study. The paper is now finished but my research on prayer is not - and my vision is still being worked out...

God bless,

Stephen
 
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Vasya Davidovich said:
Prayer is all-encompassing, as others have said. It is to be mind, soul, body, etc... united.

It is a work. Sometimes it is painful... too many protestrations, perhaps, or sweating drops of blood.

It is an eternity. It starts with the saints and the angels praying for us... until we can voice our own prayers... and it continues past the time of our death into eternity.

It is to be without ceasing. In this lifetime, it is possible for prayer to move past the mind and into the heart so that prayer does not end when our lips are done moving. The hesychastic fathers advocated the Jesus Prayer to this end.

It is joy. It is union and communion with God. It is being lifted up into the heavenlies. It is experiencing the awful, the terrible, the awesome, the majestic, the holy, the beautiful, the miraculous, the ineffable. It is life itself to the Christian.

-Vasya.

Vasya, that is profound.
 
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Vasya Davidovich said:
Prayer is all-encompassing, as others have said. It is to be mind, soul, body, etc... united.

It is a work. Sometimes it is painful... too many protestrations, perhaps, or sweating drops of blood.

It is an eternity. It starts with the saints and the angels praying for us... until we can voice our own prayers... and it continues past the time of our death into eternity.

It is to be without ceasing. In this lifetime, it is possible for prayer to move past the mind and into the heart so that prayer does not end when our lips are done moving. The hesychastic fathers advocated the Jesus Prayer to this end.

It is joy. It is union and communion with God. It is being lifted up into the heavenlies. It is experiencing the awful, the terrible, the awesome, the majestic, the holy, the beautiful, the miraculous, the ineffable. It is life itself to the Christian.

-Vasya.

SPEECHLESS
 
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