Would you shoot?

[levi501]

12) Last time I checked, a womans body was specifically designed for the purpose of bearing children. The child does not "steal nutrients, brain power, blood, etc".

The woman's body accomodates the baby very well, taking into account the woman's need for nutrients and blood and regulating both for the optimum health of both persons.

You're kidding right?
Pregnancy is very taxing on the mother's body and in some cases life threatening.

Let me help you with what a fetus can do to shatter this fairy tale idea that pregancy is some symbiotic relationship.

Normal, frequent or expected temporary side effects:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
• difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
• inability to take regular medications
• shortness of breath
• higher blood pressure
• hair loss
• tendency to anemia
• curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
• infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Here are normal, expectable, or frequent permanent side effects:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
• changes to breasts
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis==> origin of the old saying "one baby, one tooth" or the loss of calcium cost the woman her dental health)

Here are occasional complications and side effects:

• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses---11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Here are some less common (and serious) complications

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

Here are a few more permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death.

credit to Gladiatrix.
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=19243146&postcount=31

 

[elman]

=Domenico;42461396]Commence hypothetical situation -

Lets say there is an intruder in your house, who is nicking your stuff. You have no phone, so you cannot call neighbours or the police. You know that once he has finished robbing you of your things he is going to hurt you, possibly very badly, and once he has left, he will never be caught or punished.

The only thing you have to hand is a large caliber shotgun. You can shoot this guy before he hurts you and dissapears with your things. Only problem is that this shotgun is BIG. No matter where you shoot him, hes gonna die, from the blast or from blood loss as you run to call the ambulance.

Would you shoot him?

At least twice.

If you would, and you are also pro-life, consider this.

You have an intruder in your body, stealing your nutrients, your brian power, your blood, etc. Once the intruder is finished staling these things, he is going to hurt you before leaving your body, possibly even killing you.

The only thing you have to hand is an abortion. But this will kill the intruder.

Is your answer any different in this instance? If so, why?

A baby is not an intruder.

 

[TexasSky]

You're kidding right?
Pregnancy is very taxing on the mother's body and in some cases life threatening.

Let me help you with what a fetus can do to shatter this fairy tale idea that pregancy is some symbiotic relationship.

Normal, frequent or expected temporary side effects:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
• difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
• inability to take regular medications
• shortness of breath
• higher blood pressure
• hair loss
• tendency to anemia
• curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
• infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Here are normal, expectable, or frequent permanent side effects:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
• changes to breasts
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis==> origin of the old saying "one baby, one tooth" or the loss of calcium cost the woman her dental health)

Here are occasional complications and side effects:

• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses---11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Here are some less common (and serious) complications

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

Here are a few more permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death.

credit to Gladiatrix.
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=19243146&postcount=31

Well, first off, your permanent side effects of pregnancy also apply to abortions.

In fact, they can apply MORE to abortions. Any kind of post-operative infection connected to an abortion can cause infertility and death.

I loved one "pro choice" site's way of "sugar coating that." In one paragraph they were asked does abortion increase the chance of infertility or death. They said, "Well, this used to be true, but it isn't true anymore... usually."

Then, when asked if it reduces your chance of future pregnancies they responded, "Probably not, but too many abortions can cause scarring that can make future pregnancies impossible."

When asked if abortion makes it more difficult to carry a child to full term, the answer on this pro-choice site was, "Any procedure that dialtes the cervix can weaken it."

One site that is telling women they don't need to fear abortions says that immediate short-term risks include pelvic inflammatory disease.

(Note: Medical fact: Unmanaged PID leads to sterility. It can cause chronic and severe pain during intercourse for the rest of a woman's life. )

They also mention that during a D&C or D&E abortion, the surgical instrument can puncture a uterus, a bladder or a bowel.

(These punctures can lead to deadly infections.)

Less common these days are infections caused by leaving part of the baby inside. This caused serious infection, cramping, etc.

Embolisms - rare, but deadly. More common in abortion than in pregnancy.

Hemorrhaging - More common in abortion than in pregnancy.

Women who have had multiple abortions are more likely to have ectopic pregnancies or sterility and are less likely to be able to carry a child to full term.

Abortion also increases the risk of breat cancer.

 

[NeTrips]

The biggest difference, however, is that the thief is an intruder intent on doing harm. The baby is invited and is innocent and not intending to do any harm.

You beat me to it. The OP is quite obviously flawed.

 

[Criada]

No, I would not shoot. I couldn't ever justify taking someone's life - no matter what the circumstances.

And - despite the evil, damage causing foetuses, I have survived four births, one with complications, and am reasonably healthy...

 

[TexasSky]

Number of live births:

1.09 Million annually

Number of maternal deaths (deaths caused by pregnancy) 3 per 100,000 or 19 annually.

I think pregnancy is still a fairly safe thing for most mothers.

 

[LouTheWicked]

*reads Levi's post*

Woah, I knew there were side effects to it but never so many. I'm puttting all that into a word document.

 

[quatona]

Commence hypothetical situation -

Lets say there is an intruder in your house, who is nicking your stuff. You have no phone, so you cannot call neighbours or the police. You know that once he has finished robbing you of your things he is going to hurt you, possibly very badly, and once he has left, he will never be caught or punished.

The only thing you have to hand is a large caliber shotgun. You can shoot this guy before he hurts you and dissapears with your things. Only problem is that this shotgun is BIG. No matter where you shoot him, hes gonna die, from the blast or from blood loss as you run to call the ambulance.

Would you shoot him?

No, I wouldn´t.
(Of course for really finding out what I would do I would have to be in this situation. So the answer is actually: I hope I wouldn´t do it. Plus, I prevent myself from facing such a situation by not having any weapons in my house, in the first place.)

 

[Steezie]

No, I wouldn´t.
(Of course for really finding out what I would do I would have to be in this situation. So the answer is actually: I hope I wouldn´t do it. Plus, I prevent myself from facing such a situation by not having any weapons in my house, in the first place.)

How does not having guns get rid of the guy in your house who wants to kill you? "Oh well they dont have guns, wouldnt be SPORTING! I should leave."

 

[quatona]

How does not having guns get rid of the guy in your house who wants to kill you? "Oh well they dont have guns, wouldnt be SPORTING! I should leave."

That´s not what I said, Steezie. I said it gets you rid of the option of shooting him.

 

[Vene]

Commence hypothetical situation -

Lets say there is an intruder in your house, who is nicking your stuff. You have no phone, so you cannot call neighbours or the police. You know that once he has finished robbing you of your things he is going to hurt you, possibly very badly, and once he has left, he will never be caught or punished.

The only thing you have to hand is a large caliber shotgun. You can shoot this guy before he hurts you and dissapears with your things. Only problem is that this shotgun is BIG. No matter where you shoot him, hes gonna die, from the blast or from blood loss as you run to call the ambulance.

Would you shoot him?

Only if he has a weapon. If not I would rather threaten with the gun (or use it as a bludgeoning weapon). Only because I want to use the absolute least amount of force needed to defend myself.

If you would, and you are also pro-life, consider this.

You have an intruder in your body, stealing your nutrients, your brian power, your blood, etc. Once the intruder is finished staling these things, he is going to hurt you before leaving your body, possibly even killing you.

The only thing you have to hand is an abortion. But this will kill the intruder.

Is your answer any different in this instance? If so, why?

I'm pro-choice (I don't think that it's my place to tell women what to do with their bodies).

 

[Soul Searcher]

Shooting him would not be my first choice and if it seemed that shooting was the only option then I would try to shoot not to kill. If he dies he dies, that part is up to God

 

[TimmyPage]

I would squeeze my legs together really hard and see if I could possible fire the baby as a projectile weapon, solving both problems simultaneously.

 

[MemeBuster]

Well, it depends whether the intruder is black, hispanic, or white.

 

[beegy]

I don't think I could shoot anyone..I would jump out the second floor window if I couldn't find a hiding place..I am assuming that your scenerio has us alone?

 

[KMAXFIELD]

Commence hypothetical situation -

Lets say there is an intruder in your house, who is nicking your stuff. You have no phone, so you cannot call neighbours or the police. You know that once he has finished robbing you of your things he is going to hurt you, possibly very badly, and once he has left, he will never be caught or punished.

The only thing you have to hand is a large caliber shotgun. You can shoot this guy before he hurts you and dissapears with your things. Only problem is that this shotgun is BIG. No matter where you shoot him, hes gonna die, from the blast or from blood loss as you run to call the ambulance.

Would you shoot him?

If you would, and you are also pro-life, consider this.

You have an intruder in your body, stealing your nutrients, your brian power, your blood, etc. Once the intruder is finished staling these things, he is going to hurt you before leaving your body, possibly even killing you.

The only thing you have to hand is an abortion. But this will kill the intruder.

Is your answer any different in this instance? If so, why?

I'm just glad my mom didn't consider me an intruder and throw my life away. And if you're reading this I guess your mom didn't either.

love you mom!

 

[Steezie]

That´s not what I said, Steezie. I said it gets you rid of the option of shooting him.

Then I ask what you plan to do about the man in your house who wants to kill you. Im pretty sure "pretty please" isnt going to work.

 

[Avatar]

I'd shoot him twice, just to be sure he wasn't getting up again. And yep, I'm pro-life. Pro-life includes myself and my kids. Come into my house where my kids are and you'll be carried out by the coroner.

 

[quatona]

Then I ask what you plan to do about the man in your house who wants to kill you. Im pretty sure "pretty please" isnt going to work.

Well, according to the OP scenario nothing but shooting him will work (as in leaving the scenario alive), because the guy is - for whatever strange reason - determined to kill me.
Apart from the OP scenario, I don´t have any plans for such incidents. In the 50 years of my life I have successfully avoided any use of physical violence, and all I am planning is to keep it like that.