Would you shoot a home invader?

[I-can-see]

But many have shot members of their own families by mistake.

Better watch your aim then, huh?

 

[Duckybill]

Better watch your aim then, huh?

Don't own a gun. Don't need one.

Hebrews 13:6 (NKJV)
6 So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?"

 

[Rick Otto]

But many have shot members of their own families by mistake.

"Alleged" mistake.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

"Alleged" mistake.

You're awful.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto
"Alleged" mistake

You're awful.

ROFOL!!! yer both killin' me here

 

[Stephen Kendall]

To "live by the sword" and using a sword to save your life are two totally different things.

To live by the sword and to live by the sword to save your life is the same. So much of what is spoken is chatter. I don't want to be offensive, but surely we can try to really live and that is by speaking the truth, not lying. Can we live by the truth? What is living, but dying to any lie? A lie can not be alive, but is dead and holds no value in it. Jesus spoke that he was the sword of Truth. A sword that cuts both ways (two edges, or two sided). A sharp sword that can separate the bone marrow. Why would Jesus speak of God's weapon, the Truth, in such a way? Because His Kingdom will be established here on Earth and He will rule forever. Why would such spiritual weapons as truth, love, repentance and faith be greater than man's weapons. Man's weapons defeat man's physical resistance, but God's weapons defeat God's real enemies who have evil hearts. We will slay these hearts with the words of Jesus Christ: to love our enemies, to do good to those who misuse us and hate us, to have compassion to all and to have God as our leader & Father through Jesus Christ.

If all this sounds like nonsense then you are caught up in the mind and love of the world, how can you love God and his beautiful way and Kingdom to come?

 

[Satt]

To live by the sword and to live by the sword to save your life is the same. So much of what is spoken is chatter. I don't want to be offensive, but surely we can try to really live and that is by speaking the truth, not lying. Can we live by the truth? What is living, but dying to any lie? A lie can not be alive, but is dead and holds no value in it. Jesus spoke that he was the sword of Truth. A sword that cuts both ways (two edges, or two sided). A sharp sword that can separate the bone marrow. Why would Jesus speak of God's weapon, the Truth, in such a way? Because His Kingdom will be established here on Earth and He will rule forever. Why would such spiritual weapons as truth, love, repentance and faith be greater than man's weapons. Man's weapons defeat man's physical resistance, but God's weapons defeat God's real enemies who have evil hearts. We will slay these hearts with the words of Jesus Christ: to love our enemies, to do good to those who misuse us and hate us, to have compassion to all and to have God as our leader & Father through Jesus Christ.

If all this sounds like nonsense then you are caught up in the mind and love of the world, how can you love God and his beautiful way and Kingdom to come?

Well darn. I guess I will just have to go ahead and change my symbol to atheist or something.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Well darn. I guess I will just have to go ahead and change my symbol to atheist or something.

err...yeah, this. :o

The "big" war we fight using God's weapons isn't against men or municipalities...it's a spiritual war and we use spiritual weapons for that.

It does NOT, however, mean that we do not draw up weapons to defend ourselves against attacks here in the physical world.

Some believe that being a Christian means we roll ourselves up into the fetal position in the corner and let people have their way with us. I didn't see the apostles do that, nor do I expect other Christians to act this way. That WOULD be the cowardly thing to do. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything...

 

[brinny]

err...yeah, this. :o

The "big" war we fight using God's weapons isn't against men or municipalities...it's a spiritual war and we use spiritual weapons for that.

It does NOT, however, mean that we do not draw up weapons to defend ourselves against attacks here in the physical world.

Some believe that being a Christian means we roll ourselves up into the fetal position in the corner and let people have their way with us. I didn't see the apostles do that, nor do I expect other Christians to act this way. That WOULD be the cowardly thing to do. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything...

amen and amen.

 

[Some Other Guy]

ok so what makes your family worth more than someone's life? all persons are valuable, you can't give persons a value based on the quantity of them or the quality of them, or are you given that authority?

if someone was gonna come and kill my family and i, i'd to my best to not die and to stop him - but why should i kill him? i shouldn't

It has nothing to do with "worth" or "value". It has to do with protecting an innocent person from a criminal who wants to harm them.

 

[Stephen Kendall]

err...yeah, this. :o

The "big" war we fight using God's weapons isn't against men or municipalities...it's a spiritual war and we use spiritual weapons for that.

It does NOT, however, mean that we do not draw up weapons to defend ourselves against attacks here in the physical world.

Some believe that being a Christian means we roll ourselves up into the fetal position in the corner and let people have their way with us. I didn't see the apostles do that, nor do I expect other Christians to act this way. That WOULD be the cowardly thing to do. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything...

On the contrary, being a Christian is in the forefront of almost impossible situations. Climaxes occur with Christians quite often, but with outstanding good results most of the time. Several times at my farm I had to stop bloodshed. As a Christian, this was possible through Christ; it was contained and altered. A gun or weapon would appear stronger than Jesus being with you, but really? God gave me the words to use to alter hearts. Don't you know about the power of words. Surely the devil will not be stopped, but Jesus will deal with him directly. What we have on Earth are followers of the devil or confused angry & sad people. We trust in Christ in us to deal with situations. It is amazing the results of this trust in my life. In one incident, my voice had to be louder than two angry strong young men who were about to go at it, maybe their families as well since they were as angry. I attacked with a voice of command that was so loud that only I was heard. I must have scared them and the hundred or so people there. Their attention turned towards me. One of them angry towards me, yet obeyed my command for him to go a distant from his opponent. The other guy weighing twice my weight and very muscular stood towards me trying to invoke fear in me. I had no fear to offer either one. I wasn't interested in myself, but the possible harm that they may have towards each other and their families. Having gotten control of the situation, I then brought their attention away for accusing and invoking fear towards reason and return towards normalicy. It ended and slowly peace, respect and even friendship pursued. Why would I be afraid for myself? A Christian sacrifices of himself freely to help others. He or she is a new creature of love and obedience to Christ. Do you understand?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

You're missing the point, Mr. Kendall.

The idea that we're somehow not leaning on God just because we have a gun in the house is ludicrous. I'm really getting tired of the pot shots taken at my faith (even in the most flowery pretty language it's still a pot shot).

I happy you could yell loudly. I'm happy that you were able to stop violence on your farm.

This does not mean I trust God less than you do. It does not mean that I do not believe that God will protect me. It simply means that I understand that there are many ways that God will protect me.

 

[Stephen Kendall]

The situation of a love one being threaten by a criminal has never occurred to me. What would I do? What about letting that question be given to the one who is with us? What would Jesus do in such a time for us? I trust him, for in every situation in which I should have been killed or harmed, he was with me. In situations of accidents towards a love one, he was there, keeping them from harm. I am forever grateful for these miracles of his. Will Jesus one day just let me and my family be harmed? Why not? Why am I any better then anyone else? Do I not love others? Can I not take the terrible plights that they have to endure or even die in? This isn't my world, but all Christians' world is the one to come through Jesus Christ. I love posting here at times like this. I don't find many people hearing me or hearing the Holy Spirit, but it good to share what is in our hearts and faith to others. Love you guys always.

There is one thing to remember. When we label someone an evil name as criminal, let us remember that we, before accepting Christ, were criminal to God. Don't throw away this truth to give you the right to go against the teachings of Christ, and this because of your lack of faith. When you call someone criminal, this isn't sufficient to take the place of God as judge. Please remember the teachings of Christ. Some people remember the preachers at Church and Church doctrine and their title of being a Christian, but don't study Jesus' words. What will save you is to know Jesus as to obey him and follow him? Where will you be found with Christ, if you live your life much in opposition of him, yet saying I am with Jesus?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

as I said before Mr. Kendall, I don't appreciate you calling into question my faith. My faith is STRONG. Got it? Just because I do things differently than you does not make you better than me.

 

[Stephen Kendall]

as I said before Mr. Kendall, I don't appreciate you calling into question my faith. My faith is STRONG. Got it? Just because I do things differently than you does not make you better than me.

I really don't understand God that well when it comes to the diversity of his children. I didn't mean to offend you. The way we think is different. I should respect your decisions. I try to decide when a matter occurs with faith. This puts me in a weak position, relying heavily upon God. All I can do in situations like that is rely on Christ's teachings and his presence. I can be done in with my family as well, but really is this our true home or purpose? I would rather rely on God than the cumbersome outcomes of a 48 or shotgun. Besides it is hard to honestly love my enemies with a gun. I am definitely weak to your strong presence. I am not better, or because I take Jesus' words very seriously, makes me no better than you in obeying God's will. Your love for your family is very important to you. I admire this intervention into your daily living. My confusion in loving my enemies over loving my family, can only be cleared by faith in Jesus' words from God. Let God be the judge of each of us. Can love be judged wrong? Is my weak love less than your strong one? We give all things to God and put him first in our lives. I am sure that you do this. I am still weaker in this than most, in putting God first. We must each do what is in our conscience to do in how we see God and his will for our lives. Since we do things out of our love for Him, then how vast and great is this love of ours towards our Father. Something is amiss! All I know is to obey Jesus as best as I can and rely on him. This makes me very weak, but encourages me to pray.

I do have one gun, a large shotgun. It is used to shoot crows that harm my harvest. I haven't used it in years. I keep the shells way away form the gun. I try not to see the crows so much as a pest and they don't seem to be so now, yet I have opened up the sky when they were. I am getting older and weaker. My faith is all that I seem to have now that is growing within me and seemingly stronger. The future looks uncertain and darker. I have seen the days come and go with help from God. My small life and low importance is in his care. I share my time and work with what I believe is service to God, such as posting here for others to read. I don't want to offend anyone, but to encourage others.

Have a good day.

 

[Duckybill]

The "big" war we fight using God's weapons isn't against men or municipalities...it's a spiritual war and we use spiritual weapons for that.

It does NOT, however, mean that we do not draw up weapons to defend ourselves against attacks here in the physical world.

You have severely contradicted yourself.

James 4:7 (NKJV)
7 Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Unless you think you can shoot the Devil with a gun. Someone can kill millions of evil people but all that would do is make him/her more like the Devil.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

You have severely contradicted yourself.

James 4:7 (NKJV)
7 Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Unless you think you can shoot the Devil with a gun. Someone can kill millions of evil people but all that would do is make him/her more like the Devil.

I have not contradicted anything. Resistance doesn't have to be passive.

 

[Duckybill]

I have not contradicted anything. Resistance doesn't have to be passive.

HUGE contradiction! You're not gonna kill the Devil. If you killed 100 invaders you wouldn't hinder Satan whatsoever. You would only give him ammo to use against you. Satan loves it when Christians become killers like himself.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

HUGE contradiction! You're not gonna kill the Devil. If you killed 100 invaders you wouldn't hinder Satan whatsoever. You would only give him ammo to use against you. Satan loves it when Christians become killers like himself.

Good thing I'm not trying to kill the devil.

I'm only protecting my family.

No contradictions here!

 

[Duckybill]

Good thing I'm not trying to kill the devil.

I'm only protecting my family.

By 'loving your enemy'?