Would you quit your job if employer mandated vaccinations

[hedrick]

Happy Sabbath Freth! Not being judgmental just saying. Some medical issues require pharmakeia-medication. Not all ailments just go away through proper living.

Vaccines are made through the use of fetuses. Aborted and not. So I will not be partaking of any presently.

Not the mRNA. They were tested with fetal cells, but they are not involved in development or manufacture.

 

[HIM]

Not the mRNA. They were tested with fetal cells, but they are not involved in development or manufacture.

The quote you responded to said that they were made through the use of fetuses. If they were tested by the use of fetus cells they were made through the use of fetuses.

Happy Sabbath Freth! Not being judgmental just saying. Some medical issues require pharmakeia-medication. Not all ailments just go away through proper living.

Vaccines are made through the use of fetuses. Aborted and not. So I will not be partaking of any presently.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Vaccines are made through the use of fetuses. Aborted and not. So I will not be partaking of any presently.

Not THIS vaccine, but in others , yes. You mean you have NEVER had a vaccine in your life?

 

[sfs]

Has it ever occurred to you that those who would be willing to quit a job before being forced into vaccination might have really excellent reasons for doing so?

It has certainly occurred to me that they might -- but then I read the actual reasons that they advance, and they turn out not to be excellent at all.

But we are against "vaccines" that are using the general public as guinea pigs

That, for instance, isn't true.

that have a growing number of very dangerous and even fatal adverse reactions, the size of which far exceeds the level at which any prior vaccine would have been scrapped as ineffective and dangerous

And that's complete nonsense. The mRNA vaccines, for example, have lower rates of adverse reactions than the yellow fever vaccine I had to have as part of my job.

that act in the body in ways no prior vaccines have ever done, a spike protein replicating and saturating various tissues all throughout the body

Lots of other vaccines also cause viral proteins to be produced (not replicate) in your body; there's nothing novel about that.

that are now proving to have only a mitigating effect on the virus

That's false -- they both reduce transmission and mitigate the severity of illness. (And that latter bit, about preventing severe disease and death, is kind of important in its own right.)

needing an endless series of booster shots to support.

We have no idea whether an endless series will be required or not. Even if it is -- so what? We also require an endless series of flu shots, and the two can be combined.

In short, I'll be happy to consider people's objections reasonable when I see someone offer a reasonable objection.

 

[HIM]

Not THIS vaccine, but in others , yes. You mean you have NEVER had a vaccine in your life?

Yes this Vaccine. As our friend above stated fetus cells were used in the testing of said vaccine. If they are used in the testing they are made through the use of fetuses.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Has it ever occurred to you that those who would be willing to quit a job before being forced into vaccination might have really excellent reasons for doing so? Just because you can't think of what those might be doesn't mean they don't have them.

By the way, your remark about nurses who quit over forced vaccination is particularly myopic and offensive. Shame on you for making such unwarranted and ugly assumptions about the passion (and by extension, character) of these nurses. You know absolutely nothing about their motivations and passion.

My wife is facing this very circumstance at her job. She has almost twenty years working for her company and now she must leave it, not because she is a bad worker, not because she cannot any longer do the job, but because the government has, without proper justification, and in open, direct violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, stripped her of her right to decide what does and doesn't go into her body, extorting her through her employer to bend the knee to an objectionable medical procedure. We have looked for ourselves very carefully at many actual medical research abstracts, statistics from our own government health agencies, listened to expert clinicians and epidemiological specialists from all over the world and we are convinced by all that we have discovered that taking the vaccine is unnecessary and, for several reasons, also extremely foolish.

More than this, it is an utter trampling of our personal liberty for our government to extort, through our employers, our compliance with its vaccine mandate. We are not against vaccines. But we are against "vaccines" that are using the general public as guinea pigs; that have a growing number of very dangerous and even fatal adverse reactions, the size of which far exceeds the level at which any prior vaccine would have been scrapped as ineffective and dangerous; that act in the body in ways no prior vaccines have ever done, a spike protein replicating and saturating various tissues all throughout the body; that are now proving to have only a mitigating effect on the virus, not a curative or preventative one, needing an endless series of booster shots to support. And so on.

As far as we are concerned, those who have been vaccinated are extremely and dangerously misinformed and no amount of false moralizing from them about "the vulnerable" convinces us in the least to follow their ill-advised example.

Also this per the CDC site:

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...

What is already known about this topic?

The incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection, hospitalization, and death is higher in unvaccinated than vaccinated persons, and the incidence rate ratios are related to vaccine effectiveness.

What is added by this report?

Across 13 U.S. jurisdictions, incidence rate ratios for hospitalization and death changed relatively little after the SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant reached predominance, suggesting high, continued vaccine effectiveness against severe COVID-19. Case IRRs decreased, suggesting reduced vaccine effectiveness for prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infections.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Getting vaccinated protects against severe illness from COVID-19, including the Delta variant. Monitoring COVID-19 incidence by vaccination status might provide early signals of potential changes in vaccine effectiveness that can be confirmed through robust controlled studies.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Yes this Vaccine. As our friend above stated fetus cells were used in the testing of said vaccine. If they are used in the testing they are made through the use of fetuses.

Why is it a problem for you with fetuses being used? What's the big deal?

 

[HIM]

Why is it a problem for you with fetuses being used? What's the big deal?

Abortions...

 

[GirdYourLoins]

There seems to be a very strong link that anti vaxers are disproportionally cannabis users. By that I mean most people Ive met who are anti-vaxers are heavy users and this fits with my decades long belief that cannabis use exasperates any even tiny insignificant underlying mental health issue, in this case paranoia manifesting as a distrust of any authority.

 

[HIM]

We have no idea whether an endless series will be required or not. Even if it is -- so what? We also require an endless series of flu shots, and the two can be combined.

In short, I'll be happy to consider people's objections reasonable when I see someone offer a reasonable objection.

Required? I have not had a flu shot and have not had the flu since I was a kid praise God.

 

[HIM]

There seems to be a very strong link that anti vaxers are disproportionally cannabis users. By that I mean most people Ive met who are anti-vaxers are heavy users and this fits with my decades long belief that cannabis use exasperates any even tiny insignificant underlying mental health issue, in this case paranoia manifesting as a distrust of any authority.

Wow

 

[Bobber]

Yep, this will likely be a slow burn, and they'll have to come to accept the situation.

I would say at the very most they'd get stuck in low paying jobs at big box stores or po-dunk warehouses or be content on serving tables for privately owned restaurants until the age of 80 or whenever they may die.

Perhaps these will be the future ditch diggers of America even? Perhaps these anti-vaxx americans will take up jobs that never wanted to apple/orange/tobacco harvesters Who knows. At least they'll be outdoors in well-ventilated areas.

Or perhaps God might turn this whole thing upside down and you end up working for them? Reminds me of Forrest Gump story. All the smart people mocked him but as time went along he ended up being their boss.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Abortions...

What about abortions?

 

[HIM]

What about abortions?

Fetuses; aborted and not are used to make vaccines. Or "in the testing of said vaccines". Which means they are used in the making of said vaccines.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Fetuses; aborted and not are used to make vaccines. Or "in the testing of said vaccines". Which means they are used in the making of said vaccines.

Those were replicated from fetuses decades ago. Ancient history. I fail to see how this is a problem.

 

[HIM]

Those were replicated from fetuses decades ago. Ancient history. I fail to see how this is a problem.

Not in every circumstance. Personally we will have nothing to do with genocide babies.
Take care.

 

[Freth]

Happy Sabbath Freth! Not being judgmental just saying. Some medical issues require pharmakeia-medication. Not all ailments just go away through proper living.

Vaccines are made through the use of fetuses. Aborted and not. So I will not be partaking of any presently.

Happy Sabbath! We are in total agreement on your points.

In recent years I received pneumonia and tetanus shots with no ill effects. My evil meter has pegged on this pandemic though. I won't willfully poison myself with mystery ingredients for the collective, knowing good and well that the events surrounding the pandemic are highly questionable, as are the supposed experts. Of most concern to me is the over-reach of power.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

There seems to be a very strong link that anti vaxers are disproportionally cannabis users. By that I mean most people Ive met who are anti-vaxers are heavy users and this fits with my decades long belief that cannabis use exasperates any even tiny insignificant underlying mental health issue, in this case paranoia manifesting as a distrust of any authority.

You should share your research with the CDC. They never met an anti-vaxxer they didn’t hate, maybe we can get them to finally crush Cannabis use by rebranding potheads as Covid sympathizers.

 

[Freth]

There seems to be a very strong link that anti vaxers are disproportionally cannabis users. By that I mean most people Ive met who are anti-vaxers are heavy users and this fits with my decades long belief that cannabis use exasperates any even tiny insignificant underlying mental health issue, in this case paranoia manifesting as a distrust of any authority.

So anti-vaxxers are potheads now? I'm not anti-vaccine, I'm anti-this whole situation and its vaccines. And I've never touched cannabis in my life.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Not in every circumstance. Personally we will have nothing to do with genocide babies.
Take care.

"Genocide" babies? Wow, you have quite the flare for the dramatic