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So, neither one of us has complete biblical support then?I see hell as what is where God isn't.
Colossians 2:13-15 NIV
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
So, neither one of us has complete biblical support then?
We are one and the same. (horrors) - lol
That's the lens I was writing about. That is clearly not what it plainly says.You have to be made alive for any of this to apply.
Still reading my posts I see. - lolI haven't sent anyone not one person after you. You've done that all on your own.. You ought to know by now that you can't fool everyone. i have always told you exactly how I feel about you. Unlike you, I don't stab you in the back. It's easy to figure out who you have been talking to. I have miss judged him.
Right, not enough information and even conflicting information. Annihilation is the more human position than ECT. But it falls short of Ultimate Redemption. (UR) WWJD?The Bible isn't giving us enough information to know exactly what hell is, but I think the Bible is clear enough that it's an eternal consequence. My current view is annihilation. At least I don't view hell as a place where people are literally tortured in fire.
That's the lens I was writing about. That is clearly not what it plainly says.
It says, "When you were dead... God made you alive... having cancelled the charge of our legal indebtedness... on the cross... he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross."
A done deal before we were even born. Paid in full.
Saint Steven said: ↑
Colossians 2:13-15 NIV
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
[/QUOTE]Colossians 2:13-15 NIV
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ (How? We were made alive when we came to faith in Him.). He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross (all this refers to believers). 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
This is what happens when you view scripture through a presumptive lens. You have to make insertions in what it plainly says to make it work for you.
This scripture clearly communicates that it is not about us at all. Christ did this for us on the cross. Thousands of years before we were even born.
Saint Steven said: ↑
That's the lens I was writing about. That is clearly not what it plainly says.
It says, "When you were dead... God made you alive... having cancelled the charge of our legal indebtedness... on the cross... he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross."
A done deal before we were even born. Paid in full.
Saint Steven said: ↑
Colossians 2:13-15 NIV
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
You have to be "in the mood" to share scriptures? - lol
Knocked out of the saddle that easily? Wow.
Have you been PMing with Roxanne?
There is something familiar about this whole thing.
She has sent others to plague me several times in the past. (over 10 years)
Are you her latest pawn?
But that would be a claim that the atonement was only for the saved. Not so.Yes, but Paul says you, the Christians. When they were dead in sins they were made alive. In what way are those that don't know Christ alive? They don't live a new life.
I agree it could be understood as you do, but I think the understanding I use is the correct one.
That's the lens I was writing about. That is clearly not what it plainly says.
It says, "When you were dead... God made you alive... having cancelled the charge of our legal indebtedness... on the cross... he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross."
A done deal before we were even born. Paid in full.
Saint Steven said: ↑
Colossians 2:13-15 NIV
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
But that would be a claim that the atonement was only for the saved. Not so.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
So you are a liar too? You just proved it. How would I have your email?Oh so that's the Roxanne who's emails keep showing up in my junk folder.
Again, you have to steer AWAY from the scripture quoted to make it say what you want it to say. That's my point.What you are calling the lens is the question, "what does it mean to be made alive in Christ."
So, you are accusing me of being a liar? That's rich.So you are a liar too? You just proved it. How would I have your email?
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