Would you agree with creationists even if (hypothetically) all the bible was true?

Atheuz · Jul 15, 2007

vernee said:
Umm. No. Evilbible isn't right.

So all the Biblical quotes it gives are wrong? Huh, what do ya know!

Doesn't change anything really, God is still worse than Satan in the OT even if Evilbible isn't right and he still is the worst murderer of all time.

vernee · Jul 15, 2007

No. I just think they are taken in the wrong context. If you would cross reference I think it would help. You never did respond to my other post I did about Abraham and Isaac. What did you think about it?

Atheuz · Jul 15, 2007

vernee said:
No. I just think they are taken in the wrong context. If you would cross reference I think it would help. You never did respond to my other post I did about Abraham and Isaac. What did you think about it?

The Abraham and Isaac example is still a good example of what kind of God the Judeo-Christian God is. Family should always come first, even if it means making the God you're worshipping [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed, he shouldn't expect that he comes first all the time and especially not in that case since you really can't ask a father to kill his son to see how obedient he is.

vernee · Jul 15, 2007

We are God's family
Romans 8: 16,17
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, If indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

That's besides the point though. What did you think about my post about Abraham and Isaac?

Atheuz · Jul 15, 2007

vernee said:
That's besides the point though. What did you think about my post about Abraham and Isaac?

Was a good post, but I still see it as a negative thing to ask a father to kill his only son just to prove his obedience.

vernee · Jul 15, 2007

Like you said, Family comes first. Family is Family is Family. Would you obey your dad-who you know loves you- or your kid-who might ignore you when your'e older? God is called God the Father after all.
Father:
1.a male parent. 2.a father-in-law, stepfather, or adoptive father. 3.any male ancestor, esp. the founder of a race, family, or line; progenitor. 4.a man who exercises paternal care over other persons; paternal protector or provider: a father to the poor. 5.a person who has originated or established something: the father of modern psychology; the founding fathers. 6.a precursor, prototype, or early form: The horseless carriage was the father of the modern automobile. 7.one of the leading men in a city, town, etc.: a scandal involving several of the city fathers. 8.Chiefly British. the oldest member of a society, profession, etc. Compare dean1 (def. 3). 9.a priest. 10.(initial capital letter

) Theology. the Supreme Being and Creator; God. 11.a title of respect for an elderly man. 12.the Father, Theology. the first person of the Trinity.

Atheuz · Jul 15, 2007

vernee said:
Like you said, Family comes first. Family is Family is Family. Would you obey your dad-who you know loves you- or your kid-who might ignore you when your'e older? God is called God the Father after all.
Father:
1.a male parent. 2.a father-in-law, stepfather, or adoptive father. 3.any male ancestor, esp. the founder of a race, family, or line; progenitor. 4.a man who exercises paternal care over other persons; paternal protector or provider: a father to the poor. 5.a person who has originated or established something: the father of modern psychology; the founding fathers. 6.a precursor, prototype, or early form: The horseless carriage was the father of the modern automobile. 7.one of the leading men in a city, town, etc.: a scandal involving several of the city fathers. 8.Chiefly British. the oldest member of a society, profession, etc. Compare dean1 (def. 3). 9.a priest. 10.(initial capital letter

) Theology. the Supreme Being and Creator; God. 11.a title of respect for an elderly man. 12.the Father, Theology. the first person of the Trinity.

Biological family comes first, not in the God family way - I'd listen to my son instead of God since we're not related biologically.

vernee · Jul 15, 2007

lol your'e funny. you go half way and then stop

vernee · Jul 15, 2007

God is an adopter for many too.
Romans 8:15
15 So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you received God’s Spirit when he adopted you as his own children.[h] Now we call him, “Abba, Father.”[i]

Atheuz · Jul 15, 2007

vernee said:
lol your'e funny. you go half way and then stop

I really can't make this clear enough: I despise the Judeo-Christian God and I would never do anything he told me to even if he was proven to undeniably exist. There is nothing you can say to change my mind because I know what he did in the OT and it's just horrible.

Christians like you are the only reason I'd join the Christian faith, not because of Jesus, not because of God and certainly not because of insane Christian terrorists. - The only reason I'd join Christianity is because of the community and how they treat eachother, but as it is I don't need it and there are better alternatives for me.

vernee · Jul 15, 2007

Hey, its not like I haven't gotten the message. Just about every thread you posted on you made it clear. If you want I can try to disprove your view of my Judeo-Christian God. I'd actually love to do it but I'm not going to force you believe. Just try to get you to better understand Him.

And what are your alternatives? You seem to be on here a lot.

Atheuz · Jul 15, 2007

vernee said:
And what are your alternatives? You seem to be on here a lot.

Buddhism because it's not based on violence, bigotry and hatred and you don't have to worship anybody and the second alternative is nothing, you don't need religion to be part of a community in my opinion. I'm on here because I like to discuss Evolution and Creationism, you'll see I barely post in any of the other sections.

vernee · Jul 15, 2007

I have no idea what religion you are referring to when you say 'violence bigotry and hatred' so I won't assume. I know what you mean when you say you don't need religion to be in a community. Lots of people think that though. Its pretty sad. I'm not going to go stalk you to find out where you post.
Either you avoided the first part of my post or you're still thinking about it. Or you don't want to. Answer it please.

Atheuz · Jul 15, 2007

vernee said:
I have no idea what religion you are referring to when you say 'violence bigotry and hatred' so I won't assume. I know what you mean when you say you don't need religion to be in a community. Lots of people think that though. Its pretty sad. I'm not going to go stalk you to find out where you post.

Well God sure does like telling people what to do and killing innocent people and babies for what a very small part of the people did or for their beliefs, in the OT - Violence, hatred and bigotry.

Either you avoided the first part of my post or you're still thinking about it. Or you don't want to. Answer it please.

Really don't bother, the flood is enough for me to know he's a horrible God.

vernee · Jul 15, 2007

You really are selective. If you have a girlfriend and she cheats on you but you didn't break up with would you always remember that she cheated on you? Or would you remember the good times you shared?
You pick through my posts and then either assume or post something off subject often.
If you don't want to learn about God can you tell me about evolution?

Atheuz · Jul 15, 2007

vernee said:
You really are selective. If you have a girlfriend and she cheats on you but you didn't break up with would you always remember that she cheated on you? Or would you remember the good times you shared?
You pick through my posts and then either assume or post something off subject often.
If you don't want to learn about God can you tell me about evolution?

Negative things outweigh positive things for God who's apparently perfect, all loving and all powerful, but still is still worst murderer in the history of man and commited so many atrocities it's beyond me how he can be called perfect, all loving and all powerful.

It's very different for a girlfriend, I know she's human, I know she has flaws and I know isn't perfect - I'd be very prone to forgive her if she said she was sorry and sounded like she really meant it.

And I agree, I'm not interested in hearing about the Judeo-Christian God or any of the good things he's done(Doesn't seem like there's a lot to me though). So I'll just drop this thread and go do something else.

vernee · Jul 15, 2007

yeah i was about to too
you really are selective though

AV1611VET · Jan 24, 2023

perplexed said:
If an angel appeared and said everything in the Bible was true I would assume that I had gone insane. Once I had gotten over this I would still disagree with creationists because their arguments seem rather flawed. The universe appears old it does not appear young, If it was made 6000 years ago it was created old and the magic god used to make the flood waters disappear and scatter humanity during the babel debacle made it appear older still further. Saying the universe appears young is just plain silly no matter what you think about biblical infaliabillity.

No need to assume you went insane.

God simply created the universe old.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Re the Flood waters, God used miracles -- (not magic) -- to order the waters off the earth.

Psalm 104:8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

AV1611VET · Jan 24, 2023

Atheuz said:
I refuse to worship a God who is a deceptive, murderous and vengeful child or believe anything he told me to.

Good.

Three times he tempted Jesus in the wilderness, and three times Jesus denied him.

We [should] do the same.

Atheuz said:
I'd rather end up in hell than worship him or believe any of the Bible - Because I really can't believe or worship a God that performed so many cruelties in the OT.

If you're talking about JEHOVAH -- (not Satan) -- then keep in mind that, in the Old Testament, we see JEHOVAH dealing with a whole spectrum of events, in all kinds of conditions.

From peace to war, from obedience to rebellion, from belief to disbelief.

Therefore we see Him loving at times; judgemental at other times.

All in all, He is a holy God, full of mercy, grace, and truth.

Aaron112 · Jan 24, 2023

AV1611VET said:
No need to assume you went insane.

God simply created the universe old.

Maybe not. If as we believe the universe, world, etc, was created by the Creator Himself as He Says,

then actually in His Perfect Viewpoint , with His Perfect Knowledge Experience and Wisdom,

HE SEES IT as it is. A few thousand years old. AND if He ever wants to , He has or can or will show this clearly as well.

Remember that the world , society , and all the commerce and science "of the world" that is opposed to Him, has NEVER seen it HIS WAY.

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