Would you agree with creationists even if (hypothetically) all the bible was true?

[AV1611VET]

Maybe not. If as we believe the universe, world, etc, was created by the Creator Himself as He Says,

then actually in His Perfect Viewpoint , with His Perfect Knowledge Experience and Wisdom,

HE SEES IT as it is. A few thousand years old. AND if He ever wants to , He has or can or will show this clearly as well.

Remember that the world , society , and all the commerce and science "of the world" that is opposed to Him, has NEVER seen it HIS WAY.

Can't argue that!

Jeremiah 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

 

[dlamberth]

In regards to creation, I would have to take the window that science has given us into the way new life forms evolve.

Basically I would take what God shows us through the Earth as it is His Creation signed off with His own signature over what an angel says.

 

[Astrid]

Maybe not. If as we believe the universe, world, etc, was created by the Creator Himself as He Says,

then actually in His Perfect Viewpoint , with His Perfect Knowledge Experience and Wisdom,

HE SEES IT as it is. A few thousand years old. AND if He ever wants to , He has or can or will show this clearly as well.

Remember that the world , society , and all the commerce and science "of the world" that is opposed to Him, has NEVER seen it HIS WAY.

How do you gain this knowledge

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you gain this knowledge

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

 

[AV1611VET]

Was a good post, but I still see it as a negative thing to ask a father to kill his only son just to prove his obedience.

God knew Abraham wasn't going to kill his son Isaac, before He even asked Abraham to.

 

[Aaron112]

How do you gain this knowledge

"SURPRISE!" "Salvation comes"
It was, and is still, a fascinating overwhelming free and unlimited and immeasurable gift

that religion idolatry too often stops people from ever knowing.

Your reasons, feelings, history, experiences on earth throughout life are all aimed at preventing this knowledge.

So don't be surprised that you have not yet experienced it.

The surprise of eternal life comes to those not even thinking of looking for it , perhaps as often as it may to those looking.

It also comes not , is not given, to proud earthly carnal worldly society flesh impure at heart.

For whatever reason, even though many multitudes may be called, few multitudes are chosen.

More multitudes are dead set on preventing anyone from ever knowing, than on being unshellfish.

So , in the end, finding any honesty, finding any truth, finding a pure heart, is rare.

 

[Astrid]

"SURPRISE!" "Salvation comes"
It was, and is still, a fascinating overwhelming free and unlimited and immeasurable gift

that religion idolatry too often stops people from ever knowing.

Your reasons, feelings, history, experiences on earth throughout life are all aimed at preventing this knowledge.

So don't be surprised that you have not yet experienced it.

The surprise of eternal life comes to those not even thinking of looking for it , perhaps as often as it may to those looking.

It also comes not , is not given, to proud earthly carnal worldly society flesh impure at heart.

For whatever reason, even though many multitudes may be called, few multitudes are chosen.

More multitudes are dead set on preventing anyone from ever knowing, than on being unshellfish.

So , in the end, finding any honesty, finding any truth, finding a pure heart, is rare.

You claiming you achieved that last?

 

[Aaron112]

You claiming you achieved that last?

Do you ever want or hope even in wildest dreams to find truth, to find honesty, to find comfort and nurturing and healing without any dishonesty at all ?

I am required by the Creator to let you specifically, individually know, that I am required by His Word, by His Torah, by His Life, to

do what is best for you no matter what.

On a forum, on the anonymous internet, we don't even know what member/poster is a fraud, a bot, a member of a coven or secret group, what member/poster is really a living person, a man or a woman or a child, not a bot, and so forth....

This leads to contninue UNjustice, UNhealthy lives, and makes me sad , beyond healing for the world, an ongoing vexation that cannot be fixed , until Jesus returns.

 

[Astrid]

Do you ever want or hope even in wildest dreams to find truth, to find honesty, to find comfort and nurturing and healing without any dishonesty at all ?

I am required by the Creator to let you specifically, individually know, that I am required by His Word, by His Torah, by His Life, to

do what is best for you no matter what.

On a forum, on the anonymous internet, we don't even know what member/poster is a fraud, a bot, a member of a coven or secret group, what member/poster is really a living person, a man or a woman or a child, not a bot, and so forth....

This leads to contninue UNjustice, UNhealthy lives, and makes me sad , beyond healing for the world, an ongoing vexation that cannot be fixed , until Jesus returns.

What, you think I might be a " bot" or some
other weirdness, and that leads you to be sad
and have an unhealthy life??

As for the ideals of truth and justice you
speak of? Of course not. Why moon about
dreaming of the impossible.
That would be unhealthy.
So is the mindset that you know the Truth.
So is the mindset that those who disagree
are robots, frauds, zombie or member of a
secret group.
That goes beyond weird, that's sick.

You choose to believe in your chosen " creator"
and choose to think that you are required to
behave in certain ways.

Aztecs sincerely believed they were
similarly required to excise living hearts from
other men and offer them to their gods.

Closer to home, a professing christian told
me he was waiting for Word that is time to
start killing the atheists. Like me.
Hanging from a lamp post.

If I were the praying sort, I'd pray to
spare me being beset by those who act
on Word from their god.

 

[AV1611VET]

Closer to home, a professing christian told me he was waiting for Word that is time to start killing the atheists.

He probably said that just for shocks and giggles.

Like me.

You identified yourself as an atheist back then?

If so, what information led you to improve to "skeptic"?

Hanging from a lamp post.

He was hanging from a lamp post like you were?

Must have been a doosey of a conversation to observe.

 

[Astrid]

No.
There is no way to verify who you are , as it is against all the internet rules and forum rules , unless something has changed recently.
THe number of bots online has increased every year for a few years at least....

No.
There is no way to verify who you are , as it is against all the internet rules and forum rules , unless something has changed recently.
THe number of bots online has increased every year for a few years at least....

You know that my fee.ings experience etc
all act to prevent my gaining the knowledge
you think you have yet you don't know, feel
called to doubt, that I am actually alive.

Real credibility issue there.

 

[Astrid]

I am the praying sort, and I do pray that the Creator spare me, and you, from those who act on word from their god.

What sort of distinction do you think there
is between one way of being called to service and another?

 

[Astrid]

That's not the Creator's directions at all. Those who profess to be 'christian', and seek to harm others in any way, are ..... unmentionable here.

Well there's your true Scotsman fallacy,
which for all its used ought be the true
Christian fallacy.
All think they are the True.

And, I did read the Bible.

Its full of righteous slaughter, by god and
angels, and men under God's direction.

Being called to kill some awful asian
atheist, clearly described in the Bible as the
Enemy, seems quite in keeping with
the Bible and Christian tradition.

You'd refuse such a call?

I'd like to see where Christianity- which has the
makings of a noble faith- puts forth a consistent and credible message.

40,000 sects with different Truth, and
matters to take on faith ( like flood) that
are just nonsense...to me theres no there there.
Sorryah, I wish there were.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe a new fad in some countries ?

>... or they ran out of guilitines and crosses ?

I dunno.

I suspect someone did say that to her.

But to use it as some sort of "brownie point" against Christianity is wrong.

I too was threatened by a poster here once -- with a gun.

I simply reported him, and he was whisked away off the site.

(Probably drunk at the time.)