Would someone please prove that creationism is not a crock,

[Cabal]

I don't consider "no way" a consequence, or an implication.

Especially since my Apple Challenge gives you guys a chance to explain how it can be "no way" --- and you guys even argued against that.

(Even after I showed how it agrees with you guys.)

Don't beat a "dead horse" --- dead horses need dead riders.

Well, you would know, I guess....

As always, AV, it's not always the conclusion, but the means by which the conclusion is arrived at that can count. And notice how when you do the same thing with us we don't /thread out.

 

[AV1611VET]

And notice how when you do the same thing with us we don't /thread out.

No, I'll grant you that.

You guys have your own way of doing it: quit responding, ad hominem, or the most popular, start with the jokes.

 

[Cabal]

No, I'll grant you that.

You guys have your own way of doing it: quit responding, ad hominem, or the most popular, start with the jokes.

As is quite clear from this thread, this isn't a tactic exclusive to us. Although I will say that our jokes are far funnier.

Anyhow, I'd much rather hear you explain how "The Creation" is different to "creation."

 

[AV1611VET]

Anyhow, I'd much rather hear you explain how "The Creation" is different to "creation."

"The Creation" is the Creation as God documented it --- not as God documented it, and science rearranged it.

Remember my Chronogenesis post that Frumious did such a good job sorting?

 

[Cabal]

"The Creation" is the Creation as God documented it --- not as God documented it, and science rearranged it.

Remember my Chronogenesis post that Frumious did such a good job sorting?

Again, this is something you've invented yourself. While forming your own ideas is your prerogative, please don't try and pass them off as standard Christian concepts, as you have done now with this, and your Solomon and genealogy evolution shoehorns.

 

[AV1611VET]

Again, this is something you've invented yourself.

Excuse me --- I said The Creation is the Creation as God documented it --- not as I documented it.

While forming your own ideas is your prerogative, please don't try and pass them off as standard Christian concepts, as you have done now with this, and your Solomon and genealogy evolution shoehorns.

Like you said --- let's stick to Genesis 1 in this thread.

 

[Cabal]

Excuse me --- I said The Creation is the Creation as God documented it --- not as I documented it.

Not the actual creation / Creation / WHATEVER, I mean the semanticising around is of your own invention. Both positions take the same act of creation and the same current form, they just have different methods for how God dealt with it. You can't just add a few capital letters and say "my way's the proper way."

And as for this not being your documentation, you did just cite a post you helped put together as part of your basis for it....and if that includes some of your more creative interpretations like "light" = "EM spectrum", then perhaps there maybe more AV-documentation in there than previously considered.

Like you said --- let's stick to Genesis 1 in this thread.

Let's see how far we both get this time.

 

[Thomas Anderson]

You see them as transitional fossils..right? that takes faith, because I see them as extinct creations of the same kind. Keep in mind that for your chance faith these transitions , whether your faith believes that species change slowly or in leaps and bounds has to account for every species...Now this is where your faith must be tested...there are countless millions of species...what have you got? (none really) What has your faith dictated to you that you have? Tremendeous.......tremendous faith.........squirming around like blobs and getting to the point where we seem to be perfect..........all species at the same time...must have created countless millions even trillions of transitionals...you said there were how many? Now I know it takes faith to accept this...cause you have NO PROOF...only what you twist and distort to feed your hunger for your faith. Every argument you evos bring up to justify your faith there is a counter argument that is equally and more convincing to the truth of the matters pertaining to finds (ie so called transitional fossils)

"You do NOT know me, or anything about me. Make another comment like this again and I'm reporting you. I have reconciled my faith with the scientific principles of ToE. If you don't have the mental faculties for doing so, well, brillo-bananas for you, but don't you DARE make any such remark to me again."


Its when i use that "faith" word for your belief that gets you angry ..isn't it? Jesus is either your delight or your disturber.."for the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing"

 

[Thomas Anderson]

You see them as transitional fossils..right? that takes faith, because I see them as extinct creations of the same kind. Keep in mind that for your chance faith these transitions , whether your faith believes that species change slowly or in leaps and bounds has to account for every species...Now this is where your faith must be tested...there are countless millions of species...what have you got? (none really) What has your faith dictated to you that you have? Tremendeous.......tremendous faith.........squirming around like blobs and getting to the point where we seem to be perfect..........all species at the same time...must have created countless millions even trillions of transitionals...you said there were how many? Now I know it takes faith to accept this...cause you have NO PROOF...only what you twist and distort to feed your hunger for your faith. Every argument you evos bring up to justify your faith there is a counter argument that is equally and more convincing to the truth of the matters pertaining to finds (ie so called transitional fossils)

"You do NOT know me, or anything about me. Make another comment like this again and I'm reporting you. I have reconciled my faith with the scientific principles of ToE. If you don't have the mental faculties for doing so, well, brillo-bananas for you, but don't you DARE make any such remark to me again."


Its when i use that "faith" word for your belief that gets you angry ..isn't it? Jesus is either your delight or your disturber.."for the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing"

 

[AV1611VET]

...and if that includes some of your more creative interpretations like "light" = "EM spectrum"...

From Answers.com --- light:

Electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Still waiting TA.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

From Answers.com --- light:

Light is a form of EM radiation. Not all EM radiation is light.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

yes, we all have our points of veiw....I knew already which point you would side with....

You could try to convince me of your POV by actually adressing the points in the Wikipedia article.

Its tricky alright...my what faith ....tremendous....no real substantial evidence or answers ......yet I believe says the evo

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[Hespera]

...is our new Netkook is still posting his stream of unconsciousness, cannot stick with one thought for twenty seconds, wall of text, ellipsis-raping, ranting on a street corner with a cardboard sign drivel? How adorable. Its like watching a drooling baby; cute in one sense, but sad and a bit disgusting when one considers that its coming from a person old enough to use the internet.
Keep dancing for us, though, Misssster Anderson. Your understanding of science couldn't charge up a watch battery, but your religulous rants could light up a city block. If only we could convert that kook-power into energy. Might not be worth the effort, though, as it comes with such a massive carbon footprint of fecal waste paired with noise pollution.

Does religion do this to people, or are they like this already and religion somehow fits them?

If all the weird stuff he is posting were true, i wouldnt have any use for science or evolution either! But its just a bunch of cut and paste from the lowest creo sites, with not a shred of honesty or understanding in any of it.

And, weirdly, people take pride and strength from such postings. Of course, it says far more about them and their beliefs than it does about what they are trying to criticze... in fact, it says nothing at all about science<edit>.

i sometimes wonder, given endless opportunity like say stuck on a lifeboat for a month... <edit>?

Glad I dont have to try! <edit>

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I agree Hespera. Check out my sig.

 

[Cabal]

You see them as transitional fossils..right? that takes faith, because I see them as extinct creations of the same kind.

And even if you were correct, that would mean that your view is based on faith as well, because you're just basing it on your literalistic interpretation of the Bible. So even if you were correct, we'd still be on an even footing.

Keep in mind that for your chance faith these transitions , whether your faith believes that species change slowly or in leaps and bounds has to account for every species...Now this is where your faith must be tested...there are countless millions of species...what have you got? (none really) What has your faith dictated to you that you have? Tremendeous.......tremendous faith.........squirming around like blobs and getting to the point where we seem to be perfect..........all species at the same time...must have created countless millions even trillions of transitionals...you said there were how many?

Lots. Why are you so insistent on this number of trillions (grossly inflated to begin with, but nevermind). You ever heard of decomposition? You know that anything that does fossilise can still BREAK and be reduced to dust if perturbed enough? The fact that we have the number of fossils we do is testament enough.

Now I know it takes faith to accept this...cause you have NO PROOF...only what you twist and distort to feed your hunger for your faith. Every argument you evos bring up to justify your faith there is a counter argument that is equally and more convincing to the truth of the matters pertaining to finds (ie so called transitional fossils)

Transitional fossils are but one type of evidence. I tried to outline ERVs to you, but clearly you aren't capable of understanding their significance.

Its when i use that "faith" word for your belief that gets you angry ..isn't it? Jesus is either your delight or your disturber.."for the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing"

No, I get angry when someone as unjustifiably arrogant as you has the sheer NERVE to use the words "antichrist" and "perishing" in regard to my beliefs and faith after only a few posts' worth of interaction with me, merely because I accept a particular scientific theory. Here's a clue for you - the Bible says that in order to be saved, all one must do is confess with their heart and mouth that Jesus is Lord. I've done that. Your creation belief, whether it be creationism OR theistic evolution, has NOTHING, repeat, NOTHING to do with whether you're saved or not.

I'll be generous and give you your last chance. Drop this slander now, and you won't be reported.

As for the usage of the faith word to describe evolution, it's as tired out an argument as you've been using since you got here. You have NOTHING. Learn some damn humility, read the sources people are posting, tone down the arrogance several notches. Then maybe you can rejoin the discussion.

 

[Cabal]

From Answers.com --- light:

Meh, close enough. I see no reason to assume He'd create the visible portion and not the rest, my bad.

The remainder of the point still stands, however.

 

[Thomas Anderson]

Learn not to encourage this nonsense by not responding to it.

You will use an entire life time...
James 4:14 "Why , you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while then vanishes."
and like Darwin will die and not really have any more answers than he did.What a waste of a life from what God intended.....spending it looking for a needle in a hay stalk.....forfeiting the peace, joy and abundant life He has for you. Looking for answers in all the wrong places, tuning in to theorys that scratch your itchy years.....if you only used part of your faith and seek God like you seek your chance theory of evo......you could truly move mountains. If you look and I am sure everyone has ,you can see design in everything.....just look at a bed of flowers...a butterfly.....a banana......to think that all these things came by by random chance is harder to grasp than "In the beginning God"....Creation declares there is a God............chance declares NOTHING.......Throught the bible Gods attributes are scattered throughout the pages, as you read them you can get a really good idea what God is like. But for the life of me and if you really really , really think about it To think that ALL THIS came to be by your chance theory...with no director, designer, creator is unfathomable....tremendous faith it takes....tremendous...squirmed along for millions of years to the perfect beings we are today, and not just us......all creatures...simutaneously male and female of every species.......faith......evo is a chance theory that requires more faith than I could ever muster up...."oh but we found this little item here and it could possibly link us to our uncle the ape"..."but we are very similar to mice to so might be decendents there too"..."stilll looking for answers though...give us time....bare with us."...time is running out ...the prophesies of the bible on the end times are already developing......You possibly have time to seek God and have all the answers in your life time but you dont have time for answers in your faith evo. 2 Corinthians 6:2 "For he says, "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation."
It comes down to choice, God did not make us robots so we obey every command, He gave us free will....choices, unlike animals who have insticts and are unable to pray to God. If you cant see the difference then you are truly blind, If you cant see design then you are blind. If you believe that all this came about by chance.....then you have faith in your belief and are blind to the truth. Matthew 15:13-14 ' Jesus replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots . Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit." God doesn't change , (evolve) same yesterday today and forever......is the message of the cross foolishness to you? I hope not.

 

[Cabal]

(notice, the only two people he replied to with anything other than more kookery was AVVET, and Cabal)

I wouldn't go that far mate.....

 

[Hespera]

You will use an entire life time...
James 4:14 "Why , you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while then vanishes."
and like Darwin will die and not really have any more answers than he did.What a waste of a life from what God intended.....spending it looking for a needle in a hay stalk.....forfeiting the peace, joy and abundant life He has for you. Looking for answers in all the wrong places, tuning in to theorys that scratch your itchy years.....if you only used part of your faith and seek God like you seek your chance theory of evo......you could truly move mountains. If you look and I am sure everyone has ,you can see design in everything.....just look at a bed of flowers...a butterfly.....a banana......to think that all these things came by by random chance is harder to grasp than "In the beginning God"....Creation declares there is a God............chance declares NOTHING.......Throught the bible Gods attributes are scattered throughout the pages, as you read them you can get a really good idea what God is like. But for the life of me and if you really really , really think about it To think that ALL THIS came to be by your chance theory...with no director, designer, creator is unfathomable....tremendous faith it takes....tremendous...squirmed along for millions of years to the perfect beings we are today, and not just us......all creatures...simutaneously male and female of every species.......faith......evo is a chance theory that requires more faith than I could ever muster up...."oh but we found this little item here and it could possibly link us to our uncle the ape"..."but we are very similar to mice to so might be decendents there too"..."stilll looking for answers though...give us time....bare with us."...time is running out ...the prophesies of the bible on the end times are already developing......You possibly have time to seek God and have all the answers in your life time but you dont have time for answers in your faith evo. 2 Corinthians 6:2 "For he says, "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation."
It comes down to choice, God did not make us robots so we obey every command, He gave us free will....choices, unlike animals who have insticts and are unable to pray to God. If you cant see the difference then you are truly blind, If you cant see design then you are blind. If you believe that all this came about by chance.....then you have faith in your belief and are blind to the truth. Matthew 15:13-14 ' Jesus replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots . Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit." God doesn't change , (evolve) same yesterday today and forever......is the message of the cross foolishness to you? I hope not.

I quit reading your vop so dont bother if thats for me.