Would it be sin?!?

[praying]

God built it into us by His design. If He didn't want us to be able to use such periods as helps to us, He would have made women ALWAYS fertile . . .

Using what God hs given to us by design is is OK. Changing what God has given to us by design is not.

NFP does not go against what God ahs set up as the natural cycle . . it uses it as God intended it to be used by providing it.


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So why can it not be argued that God gave us birth control?

 

[thesearenotthecatholicsyouarelookingfor]

Ok, situation regarding a bone of contention in regards to a particular doctrine.

Most protestant denominations do not believe that family planning via birth control (whatever method) is sin.

RCC states that it is sin. (I am not aware what the EO position is on the matter.)

Now, we have a married couple, who find out after a miscarriage, that she has a condition (I forget the name of it.) that will not allow her to carry properly, the odds of bringing a live child to term is 1 in 4, and the risk of septicemic infection, twisted uterus, etc... is about the same, 1 in 4. The risks are NOT worth having a pregnancy again.

So, the husband gets a vasectomy. They are still very much in love with each other, and want to continue their sexual relationship, just not risk a dangerous pregancy.

Is the sterilization sin? (given the doctrine that it is sin, according to the RCC.)

You know, as a Catholic and a genetic carrier for a couple of really awful diseases, I've thought a lot about this, and talked about it with my spiritual advisor. If it were me in this situation, I'd get the surgery myself, rather than having my husband do it, since if God forbid I should die or something, he should have the option of having children with a second wife.

I'd get sterilized now but I figure I might luck out and fall in love with a guy who's naturally sterile or somehow genetically perfect enough to override my problems and then it won't even be an issue

Now, maybe I'd be committing a moral sin, I don't know. But I'm willing to take that on myself rather than have a baby who will suffer and die, (possibly taking my insides with him or her in the process). NFP just is too risky. And as far as I'm concerned, a hysterectomy is better than using the pill or other chemical birth controls that could act as an abortifacent. It's weighing bad against worse here and I'm willing to go with bad. But then again, I'm a pretty bad Catholic.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

because I had 5 c sections out of 6 and the third delivery which wa the only regular delivery almost killed me. Literally- I almost bleed to death because the uterus tore.

Now THIS is VERY interesting! And quite telling!

You used ARTIFICIAL MEANS TO STAY ALIVE!

A C-Section is ABSOLUTELY UN-NATURAL!

How DARE you? Don't you trust God to provide for you?

How come it's okay to rely on medical technology AFTER you get pregnant - and would DIE without it - but you won't use medical technology to not get pregnant?

If you're going to claim you trust God, then TRUST GOD! Don't be so selective about how and when you trust God!


This is complete and total hypocrisy. Wow!

 

[thereselittleflower]

So why can it not be argued that God gave us birth control?

You mean artificial contraception?

Show me where God gave that to us!

Just because men do something does that mean God gave it to us?

So, because people murder, God gave us murder?


Do you see where your line of reasoning goes?


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[thereselittleflower]

Some seem to not understand the difference between saving a life and sterilizing God's life giving, creative gift to man, allowing man to create life in the image of God.


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[thesearenotthecatholicsyouarelookingfor]

Some seem to not understand the difference between saving a life and sterilizing God's life giving, creative gift to man, allowing man to create life in the image of God..

I understand that I saw my little sister die, taking my mother's uterus (and nearly her life) with her. I don't care for my own child to go through that or something similar to it, so I'm not having one. I'm not going to have a baby's suffering on me in order to avoid commiting some contraception-related sin.

It's not that I "don't understand" what you're saying. It's that I think you're wrong, and even if you were right, I wouldn't care that you're right. Sorry.

 

[praying]

You mean artificial contraception?

Show me where God gave that to us!

Just because men do something does that mean God gave it to us?

So, because people murder, God gave us murder?


Do you see where your line of reasoning goes?


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It goes the same place that just becuase God didn't give it to us reasoning does. God did not give us many things in the sense that it was direct from God.

What are you deciding is God given? It can't be along natural lines because everything that you have no issue with that isn't natural i.e. man made is okay. Only those things that through your discernment (and the RCC) have decided are wrong are an issue.

Clearly the Bible, no matter how many verses you post does not say do not prevent pregnancy, so all indications that it does are extrapolations.

I think the answer here is individual, and the key is discernment. If you feel that birth control is wrong then so be it, then do not use it. Though I personally don't see the difference between NFP and man made methods they are both circumventing pregnancy.

 

[~RENEE~]

Some seem to not understand the difference between saving a life and sterilizing God's life giving, creative gift to man, allowing man to create life in the image of God.


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Therese First of all thank you for your prayers for Cecil he is doing much better.(it's furrysmommy with a name change).

Now my dear imangine this. I have another baby. Now dh has Cecil and another little one. But this time I die. Because of having another baby. Where would that leave dh? Alone with two babies. Do you see my point. Sometimes not getting pregnant at all is the best choice for all involved

 

[UberLutheran]

Methinks one does not understand what the issue of "sanctity of life" is all about . . .


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Methinks thou dost not give me enough credit for the point I tryest to make!

 

[UberLutheran]

You know, as a Catholic and a genetic carrier for a couple of really awful diseases, I've thought a lot about this, and talked about it with my spiritual advisor. If it were me in this situation, I'd get the surgery myself, rather than having my husband do it, since if God forbid I should die or something, he should have the option of having children with a second wife.

I'd get sterilized now but I figure I might luck out and fall in love with a guy who's naturally sterile or somehow genetically perfect enough to override my problems and then it won't even be an issue

Now, maybe I'd be committing a moral sin, I don't know. But I'm willing to take that on myself rather than have a baby who will suffer and die, (possibly taking my insides with him or her in the process). NFP just is too risky. And as far as I'm concerned, a hysterectomy is better than using the pill or other chemical birth controls that could act as an abortifacent. It's weighing bad against worse here and I'm willing to go with bad. But then again, I'm a pretty bad Catholic.

Quick question: what is NFP?

A person who is taking into consideration the quality of life of a child who may inherit a serious disease, and placing the quality of that child's life above a dogma is not only a good Catholic but a thoroughly decent human being, as well!

 

[praying]

NFP = Natural Family Planning

or approved birth control

 

[IamAdopted]

No where is it stated that getting tubes tied either male of female is sin.. Abortion is sin for it is killing a child that God forms in the womb.. God said to multiply.. He didn't say how many we were to multiply with.. If you quiver is full at one or if it is full at 7 then so be it.. For every child that we have is a gift from the Lord.. This is a matter of faith. If you feel it is sin to be sterilized then to you to do so would be sin for the bible tells us that to do anything without faith is sin..

 

[IamAdopted]

Not really sure what all the talk is about the other where trinity is being discussed..

 

[Lotar]

No where is it stated that getting tubes tied either male of female is sin..

Look up castration.

Abortion is sin for it is killing a child that God forms in the womb..

And contraception is not allowing that child to be formed.

The contraceptive culture, which brought upon the idea that children are a burden that should be limited and planned for when convenient, gave birth to the acceptance of abortion.

God said to multiply.. He didn't say how many we were to multiply with.. If you quiver is full at one or if it is full at 7 then so be it.. For every child that we have is a gift from the Lord.. This is a matter of faith. If you feel it is sin to be sterilized then to you to do so would be sin for the bible tells us that to do anything without faith is sin..

1 or even 2 children is not multipling. Even the most developed countries require at least a 2.1 children per woman average in order to just maintain the population.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

Look up castration.

If you're confused as to the radical difference between castration and a vasectomy, please PM me and I'll explain it!

 

[Lotar]

If you're confused as to the radical difference between castration and a vasectomy, please PM me and I'll explain it!

They are sinful for the same reason: they produce infertility.

Infertility is an unfortunate lamentable state, and that so many seek it in our culture today shows the depth of depravity that we have sunk to.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

They are sinful for the same reason: they produce infertility.

Yeah, okay.

And again, I'll ask the same thing our Catholic friends are unable to answer: Is there a Book, Chapter and Verse - from the Bible - saying that birth control is sin?

If not, you need to apologize for speaking for God where He has not spoken.

 

[KJVisTruth]

Isaiah 54:1 SING, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

Want a NT verse? Gal. 4:27 says basically the same thing.

 

[IamAdopted]

Isaiah 54:1 SING, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

Want a NT verse? Gal. 4:27 says basically the same thing.

The scriptures that you quoted are about Isreal.. You cannot take scripture out of context to defend your claim. This has nothing to do with bearing children..

 

[IamAdopted]

Can you explain eunnich to me? It is also in the bible..