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and what would abstinance be? OR NFP, for that matter?you are not giving yourself to your spouse. You are putting a barrier between your total self giving.
That we are to control the world's population through abortion and contraceptive or else we will use up our worlds resources... or something retarded like that.
I swear that women is Margaret Sanger reincarnated.
Then follow it then.If you do not need to show anything in the bible, then you have no right to ask for it.
You are twisting the meaning ofo sola scriptura, and then trying to use it as an argument against my belief in the matter.
You are pushing the envelope again on ABC.... seeing as most forms of birth control will not do what you claim they will, such as condoms, diaphragms, etc... your true issue isn't the organs, or the chemicals, it's the BC....
My rule, is to follow the bible. I am not prohibited from using BC, therefore, I see no reason not to. Plain and simple.
Sure I have, you said it was based on intent. If my intent is not to get pregnant this month or next month or for the next six months then I am use it as a form of birth control. My intent is not to never get pregnant just to not get pregnant now. Is it okay because it is a faulty non-reliable mehtod of birth control.
Do I have to be graphic Uphill? Do I have to draw you a picture?and what would abstinance be? OR NFP, for that matter?
nah... please don't.Do I have to be graphic Uphill? Do I have to draw you a picture?
if one used for those reasons it is then birth control and a sin.
You are aware right that Hilliary is pro abortion, right?Well to be honest I have my doubts she said to control it with abortion (you need to provide proof of that) but if she did I am totally absolutely against that. Abortion unlike birth control is most definitely wrong.
No it;s not okay and it is what has been advocated. What are you reading?It must be me...so if you are not using it for those reasons why are you using it at all? We have already eliminated high risk reasons, well I asked that if it used for any other reason besides high risk then is it ok. I am getting mixed messages here.
So let me ask one more time:
Is NFP ok to use when there is no high risk reason (be that medical or financial or whatever) to avoid pregnancy?
If the answer is no, that is not what has been advocated in this thread and if the answer is yes, then what is the difference between that and any other method of birth control.
Well, when hubby is in the mood but realizes that pregnancy must be avoided, then hubby sacrifices himself for the greater good out of love for his wife and ocncen for her well being.nah... please don't.
in NFP, I would think that you are not fully giving yourself to your spouse either.
Hubby is in the mood, but nope, bad time of the month for it..... sorry...
how is that fully giving yourself to your spouse?
Where in the bible did God give permission to alter the human body with regards to fertility? How is NFP altering the body?
nothing is wrong with it at all. I am not the one pointing the finger on any of this and yelling SIN, SIN!Well, when hubby is in the mood but realizes that pregnancy must be avoided, then hubby sacrifices himself for the greater good out of love for his wife and ocncen for her well being.
Do you see the gospel message in this now?
If hubby is in the mood and wifey and he consents to take the risk then what's wrong with that?
If you do not need to show anything in the bible, then you have no right to ask for it.
Uphill, I do not have to show you anything from the bible only.
I am not a sola scripturalist, but you however, are.
So therefore YOU, not me, are bound to this rule.
So show me where the bible only says we can rip out our reproductive organs and take cancer causing chemicals that have abortificant potential to control birth?
Show me where God ever said this is okay?
Heck- I'll let you out of your own rule and ask you where any Christian anywhere until the 20th century believe it was okay?
The Trinity is in the bible.How does UB have the right to demand or ask for us to show from the bible our position on contraception if he has no need to show from the bible his position on the Holy Spirit is plainly stated in the bible?
Specifically, his position on the Holy Spirit (which is implied as he carries a CO icon from CF) that the Holy Spirit is:
Co-Equal with the Father and the Son
Co-Eternal with the Father and the Son
Co-Eternally Pre-existing with the Father and the Son
?????
Clear double standards . . which are nothning more than logical fallacies in argumentation. . .
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God said to be fruitful and to multiply and he said he closes and opens the womb.And YET AGAIN, absolutely NO Scriptural basis for your conviction, or your willingness to sit in the place of God and cast judgment.
Good grief, this has gotten old.
and neither is there a license to use artifical ones either.The Trinity is in the bible.
Commands concerning contraception are not.
Next?
correct. Neither is their license to sleep in satin sheets. Neither is their license to eat pesto. Neither is their license to photograph birds. neither is their license to use a desk fan.and neither is there a license to use artifical ones either.
God said to be fruitful and to multiply and he said he closes and opens the womb.
Theresa has given you scripture and you ignored it which is why I do not jump to your demand to provide you scripture.
I also asked and you never did answer, what do you make of the non Catholic bible believing Christian family the "Duggar's" who have 16 children?
Have you ever watched their show on TLC? I tell you, those parents truly know how to live by the bible alone. They are the best example of how married Christians should live.
nothing is wrong with it at all.
I am not the one pointing the finger on any of this and yelling SIN, SIN!
However, that is not the full sharing of each other between spouses... Sorry.
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