Benedicta00
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You have to breastfeed in a very specific way in order it to truly suppress ovulation.
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You have to breastfeed in a very specific way in order it to truly suppress ovulation.I am aware, and its not 100% foolproof. My third daughter was the surprise, and I was breastfeeding my newborn, plus using two forms of birth control at the time. =)
Theres only one way to breastfeed. ;p Its also common knowledge that the more kids a woman has, breastfeeding as a birth control method greatly, greatly reduces in its effectiveness.You have to breastfeed in a very specific way in order it to truly suppress ovulation.
That other non catholics agree with and not because of authority but because of the bible.you can continue to think so, if you wish. I haven't seen a clearly logical argument from your position yet, only argument from supposed authority.
In order to suppress ovulation a mother has to exclusively breastfeed, that meas no water, no pacifiers, no solid foods, no bottle, no skipping feeding at all. the baby can not lessen the amount of their intake of breast milk. If breastfeeding is consistant that ovulation stay suppressed.Theres only one way to breastfeed. ;p Its also common knowledge that the more kids a woman has, breastfeeding as a birth control method greatly, greatly reduces in its effectiveness.
My friend, all my babies have never received formula, not even once. I promise you, I was breastfeeding exclusively!In order to suppress ovulation a mother has to exclusively breastfeed, that meas no water, no pacifiers, no solid foods, no bottle, no skipping feeding at all. the baby can not lessen the amount of their intake of breast milk. If breastfeeding is consistant that ovulation stay suppressed.
This is a fact.
there we go again with the assertion that only the RCC is the church of Christ.
Again, we have to look at what the bible DOES say,
You still don't understand and I feel you are saying this because you just do not want to have to concede anything. Go research what I'm saying- this is not a Catholic thing.My friend, all my babies have never received formula, not even once. I promise you, I was breastfeeding exclusively!
aaaand those who use contraceptives don't pray about the matter? Bold assertion....Emphasis mine.
How beautiful a story. And that's all I ask other here's to do, don't take my word for it, pray about it.
If one is sincerely seeing truth, and God knows if they are, they will find it.
I don't have to prove squat, though.... I make no claims to be a member of the only church of Christ. Those who make the claim, must prove it. and this is something you cannot do.Until you can prove other wise, uphill, until you can prove otherwise...
To be fruitful and to multiply and that God opens and closes the womb. Now show me your verses ha contradict this.
No, this is a false statement. I think you should retract it for the sake of not baring a false witness against us. It disturbs our peace to read statements about our faith that arent true.
We believe it because we believe God was clear in both the old and the new testament with regards to the sanctity of life.
Don't you believe in the the sanctity of life?
We view being open to the possibility of new life is respecting the sanctity of life even if God (not man) has closed the womb. Our hearts should then be open to life if a miracle of such should occur.
I honestly do not see why other Christians would find fault with our beliefs and how we view that all life, even potential life is sacred.
Where in the bible did God give permission to alter the human body with regards to fertility? How is NFP altering the body?Once again, you're more than welcome to share in the realm of opinions and ideas.
But do NOT take the "You're sinning and I am not" approach - especially in light of the fact that you have no Biblical evidence to back up your beliefs.
I am telling you the truth, nothing more. Some people really are extremely fertile, like me and thats why theres birth control, has it occurred to you thats why they say nothing is 100%? We are thankful for that, God truly provides.You still don't understand and I feel you are saying this because you just do not want to have to concede anything. Go research what I'm saying- this is not a Catholic thing.
Interesting how some want to equate pregnancy, a natural, intended state by our Creator, with a disease process . . . . .
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you never addressed the issue directly. Where did he ever say Mary was sinless? ok then, if it isn't in there, we cannot do/believe it.Because NFP works with the creation of the human body and how God designed fertility and it does not attempted to alter it and change it.
Where in the bible did God give permission to alter the human body with regards to fertility?
He never did Uphill, He never did.
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How are you equating what I'm saying with abortion? I said nothing in support of termination of life. You are grasping at straws.Benedicta said:Sin is not subjective.
Do you realize you just said the same as "I don't believe abortion is right but I believe in a woman's right to chose it." That is the subjectivness that keeps baby killing legal.
It's the John Kerry- "I can't impose my beliefs on others..."
It's why we can't pray in public schools, it's why the 10 commandments of God have been kicked out of the public sector.
It's secularism and atheism, not Christianity.
fine then, non permanent methods should be just fine, such as condoms, as they don't alter the body. That isn't your real issue though, is it?Benedicta said:And that is not a sin if you have a grave reasons to avoid pregnancy. This makes time #7 me telling you this.
What is at the heart here is, NFP allows us to be open to life, to God working and it does not take away the total self giving of one to the other.
The removal of the total self giving is what equates sterilization with sodomy.
But you don't use it exclusively for acheiving pregnancy, do you? In fact, 98% of the time, you are using it to AVOID pregnancy. Intact or not, you are avoiding pregnancy, which is no different from using a condom.Benedicta said:No, that's not true. It also is used to achieve it, have you forgotten that?
Really and truly- you need to be honest with yourself. It's using nature in a appropriate way and using the knowledge of how our body works. It's not "controlling birth." How we use it can be, but NFP itself does "control birth."
Because we are leaving fertility in tact and not removing it form our being.
No because my fertility is still there intact. I have not suppressed it nor have I mutilated it.
Again, if altering the body was the real issue, than condoms, diaphrams, etc... would be just fine. You don't think they are, though, do you? How is my view hypocritical? Please point out the hypocracy. I believe that God gives us the choice. You pronounce sin on others for the exact same thing you are doing, just because they use a different method. IMHO, THAT is hypocracy.Benedicta said:Wait hold up, what you are thinking here? That we have to have relations daily or only when we are fertile least we sin?
We can chose to have relations when we chose to have it consenually.
If we chose to not have relations during the fertile phase, what sin are we committing?
I don't think you realize, having to use NFP for a grave reason- is a cross to us, not something to celebrate or to feel relive about, not worrying about having more kids.
It's a cross to have to avoid pregnancy, not a freedom.
We view it as a sacrifice to use NFP.
It's limiting it, it's not doing everything humanly possible to do away with the chances.
See the difference?
God designed the body, not us but you feel we can alter it. That is what I find odd. Why do you feel that's okay?
And if we have to limit the chance for a grave reason, there is no sin in that, for the 8th time now.
But I'm keeping my full fertility in tact aren't I? that's the core difference here. ABC and operations do not do that.
Now who's being hypocritical here? "I'm open to life but I'm removing my fertility or chemically suppressing it."
Consider the following scripture.Benidicta said:Sin is not subjective.
And, quite frankly, I think that some people need to start reading the Bible before condemning certain things as "sin" and "marital sodomy."
Sharing opinions is one thing, standing in the place of God and raining down judgment is quite another.
However do you think our creator intended for us to potentially be pregnant all the time?
Theres only one way to breastfeed. ;p Its also common knowledge that the more kids a woman has, breastfeeding as a birth control method greatly, greatly reduces in its effectiveness.
For the 6t time now... it's the intent makes it a sin ad /or it's the means we use too.
My friend, all my babies have never received formula, not even once. I promise you, I was breastfeeding exclusively!
Do they? I mean really- do they? I'm asking?aaaand those who use contraceptives don't pray about the matter? Bold assertion....
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