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If so why do many protestants today believe they don't have to obey Christ to be saved?
Paul's teachings certainly not contradict Jesus's. The problem is when people use Paul's teachings to understand Christ's, instead of the other way around.
Reciting a few verses here that I believe hold context to this thread: Matthew 7:15-20, Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:5-6, and finally Revelation 22:18-19
They would have to throw out the Bible as a whole, if that's the case.
God indeed gave Paul a mission, why would God allow this to be in His word if it were not true? To me, it seems to question the very mission Jesus had on this earth and that He hand picked His disciples/apostles.
I just find it very .... interesting I guess that some people believe Paul was never an Apostle/disciple of Jesus.
Reciting a few verses here that I believe hold context to this thread: Matthew 7:15-20, Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:5-6, and finally Revelation 22:18-19
They would have to throw out the Bible as a whole, if that's the case.
God indeed gave Paul a mission, why would God allow this to be in His word if it were not true? To me, it seems to question the very mission Jesus had on this earth and that He hand picked His disciples/apostles.
I just find it very .... interesting I guess that some people believe Paul was never an Apostle/disciple of Jesus.
What proof do we have that Jesus did talk to Paul on the road to Damascus?
That's correct, Paul isn't God. Paul's words are not equal to Jesus' words.
The problem with that approach is that there were many things that Jesus only told to His disciples. Jesus taught them things He didn’t teach the masses and they took all of this with them after His death to continue on.
For instance, Jesus didn’t publicly teach about the Holy Spirit coming, yet how foundational is this one thing to our faith.
God Himself sealing us with Himself.
I think a more modern translation of this word "followers" is imitator, but you can see what Paul means when he talks about the Christian walk.
1Cor. 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
1Cor. 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Phil. 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Also, a surprising statement in Romans after Paul compares the Jew and the Gentile.
Rom. 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Not in the sense of Pentecost or John, but you can find a couple of indications in Luke:For instance, Jesus didn’t publicly teach about the Holy Spirit coming, yet how foundational is this one thing to our faith.
Not in the sense of Pentecost or John, but you can find a couple of indications in Luke:
Luke 3:16: Jesus will baptize us with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Luke 11:13: the Father will give the Holy Spirit to anyone who asks
Luke 12:12: when questioned, the Holy Spirit will tell us what to say
The last quotation seems to imply that the Holy Spirit is with all Christians.
It's thought the Gospel of Mark was written down in 66-70AD, around 35 years after Christ, meaning many of those young when hearing Christ would still be alive. Ergo, living eye witness telling for years what they'd heard first hand, some still around as Mark was written down.Again, the Holy Spirit is the inspiration for every word of scripture.
Jesus Himself did not write any of it. ALL of it came to the minds of the persons who wrote it down by the Holy Spirit.
Whatever is testified as the "words of Jesus" is what the Holy Spirit brought to their minds to write. We don't know the word of Jesus. You don't know the word of Jesus.
All you know is what the Holy Spirit inspired men to write as the word of Jesus. You don't know anything else but that.
And the same Holy Spirit inspired what Paul wrote as well.
Interesting. ButYeah, but Luke was Paul's disciple, and we don't trust Paul, remember? How can Luke be any more trustworthy than Paul? Right?
The false doctrine of the inspiration of scripture is man made, it was invented by holy men in order to maintain control of people.Again, the Holy Spirit is the inspiration for every word of scripture.
Jesus Himself did not write any of it. ALL of it came to the minds of the persons who wrote it down by the Holy Spirit.
Whatever is testified as the "words of Jesus" is what the Holy Spirit brought to their minds to write. We don't know the word of Jesus. You don't know the word of Jesus.
All you know is what the Holy Spirit inspired men to write as the word of Jesus. You don't know anything else but that.
And the same Holy Spirit inspired what Paul wrote as well.
As for Paul Jesus had already returned to heaven. While he may have had a profound spiritual experience, he didn't meet personally with Jesus.
The resurrected Jesus appeared a number of times before ascending to heaven. Paul's conversion took place after Jesus returned to heaven. Millions have had conversion experiences, myself included.How would you qualify "meet"?
Was the post resurrection witnessing by the 500 qualify as "meet" to you?
Could you give some examples of this?Paul's teachings certainly not contradict Jesus's. The problem is when people use Paul's teachings to understand Christ's, instead of the other way around.
2 Peter 1:19-21 saysThe false doctrine of the inspiration of scripture is man made, it was invented by holy men in order to maintain control of people.
As for Paul Jesus had already returned to heaven. While he may have had a profound spiritual experience, he didn't meet personally with Jesus.
The resurrected Jesus appeared a number of times before ascending to heaven. Paul's conversion took place after Jesus returned to heaven. Millions have had conversion experiences, myself included.
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