Worldview Discussion - Part 2

[ananda]

That's because Buddhism was invented as a breakaway religion from Hinduism and its very oppressive caste system.

I see Buddhism as something that arose as a natural consequence of multiple favorable circumstances (including the extant Vedic culture). Hinduism later arose from that same Vedic milieu.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have direct knowledge of myself, my actions, and consequences of my actions.

Really?

Does LSD prepare the mind for Buddhism, like Jack Kornfield said?

I have no direct knowledge of any alleged active, infinite being.

What do you mean by "direct knowledge"?

 

[ananda]

Logically Buddha should not have been neutral towards marriage since it produces more humans and consequentially, more suffering. He should have firmly ruled out marriage and solved the problem of that source of suffering. Eventually there would be no suffering Buddhists because there wouldn't BE any Buddhists!

He was not a law imposer, but rather a Teacher who taught more wisely through wisdom and example, instead.

He knew that people were prone to various lusts and marriage would happen, so he gave appropriate warning for those wise enough to heed his words.

 

[AV1611VET]

Logically Buddha should not have been neutral towards marriage since it produces more humans and consequentially, more suffering.

Gautama walked out on his wife and child.

 

[ananda]

Really?

Does LSD prepare the mind for Buddhism, like Jack Kornfield said?

I don't follow Mr. Kornfield or his brand of Buddhism.

What do you mean by "direct knowledge"?

Direct experience.

 

[AV1611VET]

I see Buddhism as something that arose as a natural consequence of multiple favorable circumstances (including the extant Vedic culture). Hinduism later arose from that same Vedic milieu.

I think you got it backwards, chief.

Hinduism came first.

And it was so oppressive, people invented Buddhism as an escape from it.

 

[ananda]

Gautama walked out on his wife and child.

He made sure they were provided for with all their material necessities, then went in search of the highest freedom. That was an accepted path in his culture at the time.

 

[ananda]

I think you got it backwards, chief.

Hinduism came first.

And it was so oppressive, people invented Buddhism as an escape from it.

As I understand it, Vedism came first. Hinduism grew out of Vedism.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't follow Mr. Kornfield or his brand of Buddhism.

So you're saying Buddhism is some kind of Heinz 57 exercise in inward perception?

 

[AV1611VET]

He made sure they were provided for with all their material necessities,

I guess he didn't get the memo that money doesn't buy happiness?

And nothing can replace a dad in a young boy's life.

... then went in search of the highest freedom.

Freedom from changing dirty diapers? freedom from hearing his son crying at night? freedom from a nagging wife?

That was an accepted path in his culture at the time.

In this culture, we used to arrest deadbeat dads until academia intervened and put a halt to it.

 

[Wordkeeper]

As I understand it, Vedism came first. Hinduism grew out of Vedism.

Probably true. Hinduism came to be recognised as the label for all the religions that were not Islam or Christianity after the various kingdoms were merged when the country was formed.

However, karma and samsara are linked by everybody to Hinduism and Buddhism deals with these issues so everyone thinks Buddhism evolved from Hinduism.

 

[AV1611VET]

As I understand it, Vedism came first. Hinduism grew out of Vedism.

Why are you trying to change "Buddhism" to "Vedism"? whatever that is?

Are you trying to hide something and hoping I won't catch it?

You've been through college, haven't you?

 

[ananda]

Why are you trying to change "Buddhism" to "Vedism"? whatever that is?

Are you trying to hide something and hoping I won't catch it?

You've been through college, haven't you?

Just stating the facts as I've read them. No need to descend to ad hominems.

 

[AV1611VET]

No need to descend to ad hominems.

I'm sorry.

I shouldn't have brought up college.

My bad.

 

[holo]

I guess he didn't get the memo that money doesn't buy happiness?

So you're saying people at the time were in the habit of handing out memos?

And nothing can replace a dad in a young boy's life.

So you're saying fatherless children can't have a meaningful life?

Freedom from changing dirty diapers?

So you're saying dirty diapers are the best thing in the whole world?

In this culture, we used to arrest deadbeat dads until academia intervened and put a halt to it.

So you're advocating murder?

I'm pretty sure you see what I'm getting at...

Ask the guy what he means, don't tell him what he means. Especially when it's so obviously not anything at all like how you're trying to portray it.

 

[AV1611VET]

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Do you really expect me to respond to this?

 

[holo]

Do you really expect me to respond to this?

No, but I expect you to get the point.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, but I expect you to get the point.

Sorry, I don't.

I'm not going to sympathize with a man who left his wife and child.

I don't care how filthy rich he was.

Money can't buy happiness.

 

[ananda]

Sorry, I don't.

I'm not going to sympathize with a man who left his wife and child.

I don't care how filthy rich he was.

Money can't buy happiness.

What about a man who teaches that one's father, mother, wife, children, brothers and sisters are enemies, and hatred towards them? Or that the blessed "grabs ... babies and smashes them on a rock"?

 

[TheOldWays]

He made sure they were provided for with all their material necessities, then went in search of the highest freedom. That was an accepted path in his culture at the time.

I am glad he did. His brave quest has lead many to a path of less suffering.