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World Renowned scientist claims to have found proof ‘GOD’ exists!

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Bungle_Bear

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That isn't begging the question; also, I have deduced no conclusion, simply defined a term.
There is nothing in your term which is self-evident, thus it is only your conclusion which makes it correct.

Definitions of terms aren't open to being "disagreed" with. I'm sorry, and mean no offense; but I don't think I can help you since you seem to have no basic working of ability to comprehend simple logic. I would advise looking into the concept of "defining the term" for more information.
Sorry, but you don't get to dictate definitions. If I find your definition to be erroneous I am under no obligation to accept it. You're just playing word games, and not doing a very good job of it.
 
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There is nothing in your term which is self-evident, thus it is only your conclusion which makes it correct.


Sorry, but you don't get to dictate definitions. If I find your definition to be erroneous I am under no obligation to accept it. You're just playing word games, and not doing a very good job of it.

Again, I'm sorry you do not comprehend basic reason. There is nothing I can do for you. Further replies would be meaningless.
 
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Again, I'm sorry you do not comprehend basic reason. There is nothing I can do for you. Further replies would be meaningless.
I understand perfectly well and I've already shown the error of your "basic reason". Defining the term simply means giving a definition you want to work with. While it is a great idea and may provide a basis for you to hang an argument or proposition on, it does not mean the definition is necessarily valid and it does not mean I cannot disagree with it.

"God is that red ball on my desk" is me defining the term. Now we're clear on my definition of God I can mount my argument. Unfortunately, just providing the definition does not make it valid and does not provide any sort of proof for a god unless we both agree with the definition.
 
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The article author is misinformed and confused. He briefly makes reference to a hoax mentions tachyons which the video nor Kaku spoke about. The rest is based on personal opinion, heresy and conjectures. There is a video Kaku made where he personally accepts the concept of a God. I will post it.

You posted the wrong video - in that video Kaku very carefully says nothing at all about his own beliefs, he only describes Einstein's belief. He says Einstein had 'a hard time' believing in the god of intervention, the personal god, the god of prayer, the god that parts the waters, listens to all our prayers, and smites the Philistines; rather, Einstein believed in the god of order, harmony, beauty, simplicity, and elegance; the god of Spinoza (i.e. nature).

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You posted the wrong video - in that video Kaku very carefully says nothing at all about his own beliefs, he only describes Einstein's belief. He says Einstein had 'a hard time' believing in the god of intervention, the personal god, the god of prayer, the god that parts the waters, listens to all our prayers, and smites the Philistines; rather, Einstein believed in the god of order, harmony, beauty, simplicity, and elegance; the god of Spinoza (i.e. nature).

He quotes Einstein to illustrate what he himself believes after being asked what he himself believes.

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He quotes Einstein to illustrate what he himself believes after being asked what he himself believes.
I think you're reading something into what he says that isn't there. He doesn't say what he believes - the closest he gets is 'how we physicists view things' when talking about the need to be scientific and define what they mean by god. From that point on, he use Einstein's beliefs as an example.

He could easily have said what he believed, or that he agreed with Einstein, but he didn't. It looks to me like he deliberately avoided mentioning his own belief.
 
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I think you're reading something into what he says that isn't there. He doesn't say what he believes - the closest he gets is 'how we physicists view things' when talking about the need to be scientific and define what they mean by god. From that point on, he use Einstein's beliefs as an example.

He could easily have said what he believed, or that he agreed with Einstein, but he didn't. It looks to me like he deliberately avoided mentioning his own belief.
He could easily have said in response to her question that he is an atheist but chose to quote Einstein's concept of God instead as a response to the question on whether he believed. The conclusion is as clear as ice crystals on the tip of an aquiline nose on a sunny Sunday winter morning!

Aquiline nose - Wikipedia
 
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A voice of sanity emerges amidst the bedlam! He also wrote a book entitled "Is God a Mathematician?" No blindness from this scientist!


Ow my....
Perfect educational film if the topic is quote mining and strawmanning "world renown physicist".
 
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Now, first suppose a sun worshipper says to you "God is the sun" - then you would understand (hopefully) that everyone is a theist in relation to his proposed deity, yes?

No. I accept the sun exists. To be a theist in context of this proposed deity, I'ld have to accept that the sun is a god. I'ld have to believe something extra concerning the nature of the sun.

Suppose next a natural pantheist says to you "God is the sum of all natural processes" - then you understand by his definition, you are a theist in respect to his deity, yes?

Nope, same as above.
I accept processes exist. I see no value in or reason to call those processes "god".

Now, suppose I say "God is the sum of all consciousness". You are a theist then in regards to this definition, yes? God is proven relative to each definition.

Dito.

Now suppose I define the "Biblical God" as "the sum of the transformative information conveyed through the words of the bible". Again, you see that I have proven God by definition.

Not really. The only thing you did was share a rather silly semantic argument.

I can call a chair a table any day of the week, but a chair will just be a chair - its nature doesn't change merely by giving it a different name.

In fact, in all of these definitions, both atheism and agnosticism become impossibilities.
In exactly the same way that "chairs" become non-existant when we start calling them "toilets" instead.
 
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He quotes Einstein to illustrate what he himself believes after being asked what he himself believes.
The god of Spinoza is very different from the type of god you are trying to make it seem that Kaku believes in. It is in fact so far removed from the type of god that you believe in, that we might just as well call Kaku and Einstein atheists in this context.


Not that it matters what people believe though.
 
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Very convenient interpretation.
I did see another quote where he's clearer about the meaning of God to String Theorists (of which he's a leading light) - he doesn't directly state his beliefs, but using Einstein as an example again, he says that Einstein's 'mind of God' would be the 'cosmic music' of the vibrations of the strings that make up the universe:

"As you know, I work in something called String Theory which makes the statement that we are reading the mind of God. It’s based on music or little vibrating strings thus giving us particles that we see in nature. The laws of chemistry that we struggled with in high school would be the melodies that you can play on these vibrating strings. The Universe would be a symphony of these vibrating strings and the mind of God that Einstein wrote about at length would be cosmic music resonating through this nirvana… through this 11 dimensional hyperspace—that would be the mind of God. We physicists are the only scientists who can say the word “God” and not blush."​

'Not blush' presumably because when they use the word 'God', they mean, rather than a supernatural entity, the physical universe, and by the 'mind of God', literally the functional 11 dimensional resonance of the strings of which it's composed (according to String Theory).

It's clearly a poetic usage.
 
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God is Spirit.
Science is not.
Proof is only found in Math, not science.
I have to agree, at least as far the secular world is concerned. And I'm quite familiar with both collection, collation and presentation of evidence and the concept of "proof". At the same time, God has established His existence to me ("proof" if you will) past any shadow of doubt.

However, it is not the sort of "proof" I can demonstrate in public. It falls to the level of an 'argument' which sadly, is not overwhelmingly accepted.

But it isn't my problem. The Holy Spirit takes care of that part.
 
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He quotes Einstein to illustrate what he himself believes after being asked what he himself believes.

"My own point of view is that you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God."--Michio Kaku

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"My own point of view is that you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God."--Michio Kaku

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Michio Kaku says that God could be a mathematician: "The mind of God we believe is cosmic music, the music of strings resonating through 11 dimensional hyperspace. That is the mind of God."

Michio Kaku Isn’t Ashamed to Use the Word “God”
“I work in something called String Theory which makes the statement that we are reading the mind of God. … We physicists are the only scientists who can say the word “God” and not blush,”

Michio Kaku Isn’t Ashamed to Use the Word “God” - Science and Religion Today

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Kaku said:

When scientists use the word God, they usually mean the God of Order. For example, one of the most important revelations in Einstein’s early childhood took place when he read his first books on science. He immediately realized that most of what he had been taught about religion could not possibly be true. Throughout his career, however, he clung to the belief that a mysterious, divine Order existed in the universe.5

Kaku’s apparent spirituality represents a bit of a break from much of the scientific community. He doesn’t seem to think that religion and science can’t get along.

Michio Kaku’s Religion and Political Views


Kahu's Religion

Kaku was brought up by first generation Japanese immigrants in the United States. Some eastern philosophical religious principles surely influenced his upbringing. As a scientist and thinker, Kaku seems to feel that the universe, in its order and symmetry, is God. He is a pantheist.
Michio Kaku’s Religion and Political Views

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Kaku:
...But you see, all this is pure mathematics, and so the final resolution could be that God...is a mathematician. And, when you read the mind of God, we actually have a candidate for the mind of God. The mind of God, we believe, is cosmic music, the music of strings, resonating through eleven-dimensional hyperspace. That is the mind of God.
https://www.quora.com/Michio-Kaku-a...e-What-do-others-think-of-this-mans-statement
 
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I have to agree, at least as far the secular world is concerned. And I'm quite familiar with both collection, collation and presentation of evidence and the concept of "proof". At the same time, God has established His existence to me ("proof" if you will) past any shadow of doubt.

However, it is not the sort of "proof" I can demonstrate in public. It falls to the level of an 'argument' which sadly, is not overwhelmingly accepted.

But it isn't my problem. The Holy Spirit takes care of that part.
If I had that absolutely no evidence in nature perspective that you have I would choose to be an atheist because it would be the far more logical choice. Actually, the Bible doesn't share your perspective of absolutely no evidence in nature idea. It holds just the opposite.

Romans 1:20
New International Version
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

BTW
That scripture about evidence in nature, was inspired by the same holy spirit that you say you needed to touch you personally in order to convince you despite what you claim is the total lack of evidence in nature.
 
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If I had that absolutely no evidence in nature perspective that you have I would choose to be an atheist because it would be the far more logical choice. Actually, the Bible doesn't share your perspective of absolutely no evidence in nature idea. It holds just the opposite.

And yet you can't present one iota of evidence.
 
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It doesn't bother me that there are world-renowned scientists that believe in God, and it's quite possible that Kaku believes in a God of sorts - it would probably be the Spinozan nature-as-God - but when people try to claim that he's said so, when it seems pretty clear that he's not inclined to make an explicit public statement of what he believes, I think he's entitled to have those claims challenged.

As usual, other readers of the forum can make up their own minds by watching the videos and reading the posts.
 
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