World Reaction to the Storming of the US Capitol

[Tiberius Lee]

Trump supporter don’t care what rest of the world thinks about America. America is powerful and mighty, we don’t need rest of the world.

But for rest of us, this is not just a disgrace but in future a monumental task to overcome.

The cleaning and repairing of congress will soon be done, Trump supporter eventually go back home and do whatever they do. Our democracy will sustain, and I hope we will have somewhat a normal politics.

But, for past 70 years American lead by example to rest of the world what it means to have a democracy, a shinning city on the hill. America lead the charge and bring other democracy to confront dictator or fragile democracy.

But what happened on January 6, will not be forgotten by the world. Fortunately we have some great allies like Australia, Germany , UK, Canada , France, Israel who will put January 6 behind and work with America, they will even accept the American leadership on democracy, but our foe , that is a different story.

The scar Trump and his supporter put on our democracy will not overcome any time soon.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ld-reaction-to-the-storming-of-the-us-capitol


“Last year, President Trump extended painful economic sanctions placed on Zimbabwe, citing concerns about Zimbabwe’s democracy. Yesterday’s events showed that the U.S. has no moral right to punish another nation under the guise of upholding democracy. These sanctions must end.” — Zimbabwe President Emmerson Mnangagwa.


“This is an internal affair of the United States. At the same time, we draw attention to the fact that the electoral system in the United States is archaic; it does not meet modern democratic standards, creating opportunities for numerous violations, and the American media have become an instrument of political struggle." — Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The problem is....we're not and never really have been a "light on a shining hill."

It's a myth we like to tell ourselves here.

And Zimbabwe, and especially Russia, have no room to speak. They, like a lot of nations, have a hard time keeping their own "democratic" houses in order.

We live in a world where each nation likes to mythologize its own political identity and past, pat itself on the back and point the finger at other nations.

 

[durangodawood]

The problem is....we're not and never really have been a "light on a shining hill."

It's a myth we like to tell ourselves here.

And Zimbabwe, and especially Russia, have no room to speak. They, like a lot of nations, have a hard time keeping their own "democratic" houses in order.

We live in a world where each nation likes to mythologize its own political identity and past, pat itself on the back and point the finger at other nations.

We have been a model for a regular and stable transition of democratically chosen power.

Thats an example autocracies like Zimbabwe and Russia would very much like to see tarnished, which is whats happening with this "contested election" nonsense, and especially the event two days ago.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

We have been a model for a regular and stable transition of democratically chosen power.

Thats an example autocracies like Zimbabwe and Russia would very much like to see tarnished, which is whats happening with this "contested election" nonsense, and especially the event two days ago.

Meh! I look at overall histories of nations, not just what's "been happ'n" in the last 72 hours. So, the problem here is that there's been tarnishing that has been going on all along, but few care to look more closely.

Or let me state it more clearly: The basis of "Revolution," as it has been Modernly conceived for the past few hunded years globally (the U.S., France, Russia, China, etc., etc., etc.), is no Saving Grace for any nation, anywhere, at anytime. Yet, here we are, thinking the other day was some exception.

 

[durangodawood]

Meh! I look at overall histories of nations, not just what's "been happ'n" in the last 72 hours. So, the problem here is that there's been tarnishing that has been going on all along, but few care to look more closely.

Or let me state it more clearly: The basis of "Revolution," as it has been Modernly conceived for the past few hunded years globally (the U.S., France, Russia, China, etc., etc., etc.), is no Saving Grace for any nation, anywhere, at anytime. Yet, here we are, thinking the other day was some exception.

Unfortunately your attempt to make it clearer only obscured it for me.

I think people underrate basic institutional & democratic stability. No need to idealize. Just muddling though the process on a regular basis is pretty impressive, I think.

 

[Job405]

The fact that you don't need a photo ID to vote in numerous American states is ridiculous to me. Also why do people have to register to vote? Here in my country every adult gets a ballot and they go to the voting place, show their ID and vote. Why is the US voting system so complex and easy to abuse?

Greetings from Finland

 

[durangodawood]

The fact that you don't need a photo ID to vote in numerous American states is ridiculous to me. Also why do people have to register to vote? Here in my country every adult gets a ballot and they go to the voting place, show their ID and vote. Why is the US voting system so complex and easy to abuse?

Greetings from Finland

Complex because each of 50 US states administers its own voting system according to its own regulations.

I actually agree with voter ID. But as currently proposed its typically a voter suppression method, with IDs made difficult and expensive to acquire for many people. Most people who support voter ID would cringe at a national ID card.

 

[Belk]

The fact that you don't need a photo ID to vote in numerous American states is ridiculous to me. Also why do people have to register to vote? Here in my country every adult gets a ballot and they go to the voting place, show their ID and vote. Why is the US voting system so complex and easy to abuse?

Greetings from Finland

It is actually not very easy to abuse. That has been one of the sticking points is while there is a small amount of fraud it is caught more often then not.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Meh! I look at overall histories of nations, not just what's "been happ'n" in the last 72 hours. So, the problem here is that there's been tarnishing that has been going on all along, but few care to look more closely.

Or let me state it more clearly: The basis of "Revolution," as it has been Modernly conceived for the past few hunded years globally (the U.S., France, Russia, China, etc., etc., etc.), is no Saving Grace for any nation, anywhere, at anytime. Yet, here we are, thinking the other day was some exception.

I agree with you, we are not truly a “shinning City on the Hill” , or a true democracy. Past 4 years proved that our democracy is fragile. When founding father created the constitution, they did put several guardrails to sustain our democracy. But founding fathers written these law based on “Gentleman agreement”, they never thought crocked people like Bill Bar, or half of Senate can be crooked or “power hungry” . Founding father thought, President can be crocked, but they didn’t think half of the congress would put personal ambition over country and go along with the President. They created Judiciary branch as independent, but they didn’t think legislative branch and executive branch will conspire and stack Judiciary branch to favor the executive branch.

For us , we are lucky this time that in most case Judiciary branch showed integrity and didn’t band , even for a little to the will of Executive branch and legislative branch.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Unfortunately your attempt to make it clearer only obscured it for me.

I think people underrate basic institutional & democratic stability. No need to idealize. Just muddling though the process on a regular basis is pretty impressive, I think.

My apologies. My point is simply that various ideologies we think are sacrosanct and 'indeed' installed in some institution sometimes aren't, and never really have been; or at least not in some way that makes them fully what they've been claimed to be.

So, yes; I think your suggestion that the political process of democracy as being one which shows itself by our "muddling through" is an accurate picture.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

If anti-Putin demonstrators had forced their way into the Duma, the sycophants in the Western press would be singing their praises...

 

[Strathos]

If anti-Putin demonstrators had forced their way into the Duma, the sycophants in the Western press would be singing their praises...

Not before they were all shot.

 

[wing2000]

The fact that you don't need a photo ID to vote in numerous American states is ridiculous to me. Also why do people have to register to vote? Here in my country every adult gets a ballot and they go to the voting place, show their ID and vote. Why is the US voting system so complex and easy to abuse?

Greetings from Finland

In April 2020, a voter fraud study covering 20 years by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology found the level of fraud "exceedingly rare" since it occurs only in "0.00006 percent" of instances nationally, and, in one state, "0.000004 percent — about five times less likely than getting hit by lightning in the United States."[4]
Voter impersonation (United States) - Wikipedia

Why do we have to register to vote? Good question. As it is, Republicans are opposed to states that offer voter registration when getting a drivers licence. It's almost as though they don't believe in 1 citizen - 1 vote.