Work It Out

[nobdysfool]

LOL! One would advise you to study Romans 3:20 over again. Study the words carefully. Leave those canned doctrines alone and study the words carefullu for yourself.


Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Go on believing in your own works, and trusting your own works to save you. In the end, we'll see who is in the better position.

You are just as wrong as you think we are. Pot, Kettle, Black.

I trust in Christ, not myself.

 

[Mindonfire]

Go on believing in your own works, and trusting your own works to save you. In the end, we'll see who is in the better position.

You are just as wrong as you think we are. Pot, Kettle, Black.

I trust in Christ, not myself.

LOL! You think you trust in Christ. If you trusted Christ you would read his word and do what he tells you to do.


Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.


John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Luke 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Luke 18:21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Luke 18:23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

Luke 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

 

[heymikey80]

Ben points to James 2:24, "You see that out of works a man is declared righteous, and not out of faith alone." It tends to slip past the casual English reader that the "You see" is really "You see" -- and not strictly speaking a translation of, "You realize" or "Now you know". The word can be taken in context to line up with James' statement, "I will show you my faith by my works." James talks about "showing", and then talks about "see"ing works that are shown in Abraham's life.

 

[heymikey80]

Correct. Look at Noah

Um, Noah was given knowledge how he could work to save himself and his people from a physical catastrophe. There is no such work we can perform to save ourselves from our sin.

Under what conditions might we say we are saving ourselves? Is it Christ the One Who is saving?

you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins. Mt 1:21

For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Rom 3:28
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[Mindonfire]

Um, Noah was given knowledge how he could work to save himself and his people from a physical catastrophe. There is no such work we can perform to save ourselves from our sin.

Um, what was and is that physical catastrophe?

Under what conditions might we say we are saving ourselves? Is it Christ the One Who is saving?

you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins. Mt 1:21​

If you are shipwrecked, what do you do before the rescue comes? Do you not work to keep yourself from drowning? Or do you do nothing because you know that the rescue is coming?

For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Rom 3:28​

One would advise you to read that verse again. What you think that it says, is not really what it is saying.

 

[nobdysfool]

LOL! You think you trust in Christ. If you trusted Christ you would read his word and do what he tells you to do.


Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.


John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Luke 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Luke 18:21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Luke 18:23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

Luke 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

So, if I have any money or possessions, I'm not obeying Christ? And what is the "critical mass" of money or possessions that becomes "riches"? Who decides that?

You need to spend some time in serious theological study. Christians are saved by Grace through faith, with works resulting from that salvation. The works did not and do not save anyone, it is Grace through faith which saves. period. Works are the result of salvation, not the cause of it.

 

[heymikey80]

If you are shipwrecked, what do you do before the rescue comes? Do you not work to keep yourself from drowning? Or do you do nothing because you know that the rescue is coming?

Um, actually you do more than that. You ready yourself and target yourself for when the rescue comes. There are myriad things you do because of your trust that the rescuers are headed your way.

But it isn't required that you do them for your rescue.

And it doesn't make the rescue occur.

At best it simply eases the interim, and prepares the person for rescue.

But would the rescuer abandon those who wanted to prepare, and prepared wrongly?

One would advise you to read that verse again. What you think that it says, is not really what it is saying.

Then one would be better advised to describe what I think it says and what one thinks it says. If one knows what I think it says, then one will be helping a man to see the truth. But I would hope that care should have been taken before posting this advice, correct? For if one does not know, or is in error, one would not be telling the truth in either event. And that would be wrong.