Words of Wisdom.....

[theFijian]

In my opinion critics have the most meaningless jobs in the world.

Hey we're all critics, it's just that you and I don't get paid to write about our opinions, we just spout them on CF and to anyone else who'll listen.

"I love rock 'n' roll in its basest, crudest, most paleolithically rudimentary form. That's right, I love punk rock, and I'm not apologizing to anyone..... If someone cant play their instrument, theyre not going to express anything,. Thats like saying "I know this guy, who has great ideas! But ummm he cant speak....but his ideas are really great!

No it's like saying, the guy who can't speak has to use another method of expressing himself. Anyway I took "can't play their instrument" to mean "not technically proficient".

I'd never heard of Lester Bangs but I agree with a lot of his sentiments.

Andy

 

[theFijian]

I do have more respect for musicians opinions, and if it is a band that I truly love, I will check out what they listen to. Sometimes I find a gem, sometimes I dont. Critics who do not play have about as valid opinion as mine.

So assuming that you mean that a critic's opinion carries no weight, then neither does yours

 

[oldrooster]

So assuming that you mean that a critic's opinion carries no weight, then neither does yours

Theirs is just opinion, just like mine........I just have more respect for a musician's opinion on music, then a non player.....

 

[theFijian]

Theirs is just opinion, just like mine........I just have more respect for a musician's opinion on music, then a non player.....

So you would have to agree then that David Bowie is the most influential artist of all time then? -> http://www.nme.com/news/9982.htm

 

[nadroj1985]

Hahaha that list is a joke, IMO, but then so is NME.......

 

[theFijian]

Hahaha that list is a joke, IMO, but then so is NME.......

Well it may be a joke but apparently the opinions of those 'who play' are more valid than yours or mine according to some.

Andy

 

[ps139]

No it's like saying, the guy who can't speak has to use another method of expressing himself. Anyway I took "can't play their instrument" to mean "not technically proficient".

I took a more literal interpretation of "can't play an instrument" means "can't play an instrument"

 

[anastasiotrey]

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Guitar World Magazine: What attracts you to a guitar player?

ANASTASIO: Well, purity of intent and playing in a way that is beyond the ego. I never even feel like I'm performing. I feel like I'm there to be an intermediary between music that's in the universe and the audience. It sounds silly, but I believe it more than I believe anything in my life. When I'm onstage I feel this incredible togetherness and intense energy that is like fuel for goodness. It's something that I've felt so strongly that in the last few years I started researching it, reading interviews with musicians to see if others have felt this way-and they have. I've read interviews with Brahms, Bach, Jimi Hendrix, Sun Ra, Duke Ellington, [jazz trumpeter] Art Farmer and many others and found similar themes running through them. All of them essentially say, "There are vibrations there, a natural order to the universe, and I'm not really making music. I'm just hearing it and channeling it so that other people can hear it." Everyone calls it something different-Brahms said it was coming from God and Sun Ra said it was coming from Saturn-but it's always a very similar experience.

The problem is when you try to verbalize it, it sounds weird, but only in a world that's completely lost touch with its spirituality. I think the world has become a commercial, surface place where every aspect of ritual and spirituality has been systematically turned into a way to make money for somebody.
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As you can tell from my sig thats one of my favorite Trey quotes
When he plays he just goes places- you can see it in his eyes.

Yoiu can read a lot of interviews from Phish here -

http://www.phish.net/archives/interviews/

 

[nadroj1985]

Well it may be a joke but apparently the opinions of those 'who play' are more valid than yours or mine according to some.

Yeah, and I can see where they're coming from, even though I don't agree with them. It's just a different way of looking at things.

 

[theFijian]

Yeah, and I can see where they're coming from, even though I don't agree with them. It's just a different way of looking at things.

Plus I didn't necessarily say I agreed with the poll anyway as it was only current contemporary artists they polled. Eminem at #9? Honestly.....

 

[ps139]

Plus I didn't necessarily say I agreed with the poll anyway as it was only current contemporary artists they polled. Eminem at #9? Honestly.....

Who is NME?
Are there any biases that might influence them, such as desire to appeal to a popular market??
I'm sure a bunch of the guys at Rolling Stone play instruments but their top 100 guitarists is always terrible because they're ranking the guitarists according to what the market wants. Its just business.
If you are offended that I said that opinions of people who play are more valuable than those of people who dont, I'm sorry. But its the truth. If you played an instrument you would listen to music in a whole new way. Thats what I did, I 've been on "both sides" and the deeper you get into playing and creating music, the fuller you can experience a song.

 

[nadroj1985]

If you are offended that I said that opinions of people who play are more valuable than those of people who dont, I'm sorry. But its the truth.

Sez you

If you played an instrument you would listen to music in a whole new way.

Sure, but would you listen to it in a "better" way? That's the question.

 

[ps139]

Sure, but would you listen to it in a "better" way? That's the question.

Yes. Because its a fuller way. Its like reading the Iliad in English, then learning classical Greek and reading it in the original. You'd perceive and understand little nuances that are totally lost in the translation out of the original tongue.
Thats the closest analogy I can give to listening to music as a musician and listening to it as a non-musician. Its like understanding another language.

 

[nadroj1985]

Yes. Because its a fuller way. Its like reading the Iliad in English, then learning classical Greek and reading it in the original. You'd perceive and understand little nuances that are totally lost in the translation out of the original tongue.
Thats the closest analogy I can give to listening to music as a musician and listening to it as a non-musician. Its like understanding another language.

I think I'll agree with you on that, actually. I really don't have much room to talk on this issue, anyway, since I haven't had any experience being a musician.

 

[ps139]

I think I'll agree with you on that, actually.

Good because I was going to have to beat you up if you disagreed with me one more time

really don't have much room to talk on this issue, anyway, since I haven't had any experience being a musician.

I think you should learn to play an instrument. Its never too late. Jack Black of Tenacious D and School of Rock fame did not start playing guitar until he was 23. Turns out he had a lot of untapped talent. Usually someone with such a high interest in all sorts of music such as yourself has some sort of aptitude for an instrument. Otherwise you probably wouldn't be drawn to it and you'd be satisfied by crappy pop.

 

[nadroj1985]

Good because I was going to have to beat you up if you disagreed with me one more time

Now, now, Bill, disagreement is what makes the world go 'round

I think you should learn to play an instrument. Its never too late. Jack Black of Tenacious D and School of Rock fame did not start playing guitar until he was 23. Turns out he had a lot of untapped talent. Usually someone with such a high interest in all sorts of music such as yourself has some sort of aptitude for an instrument. Otherwise you probably wouldn't be drawn to it and you'd be satisfied by crappy pop.

Could be true. I've been meaning to have a friend of mine teach me to play guitar. Maybe I will sometime. I played trumpet for a few years when I was younger, and have thought about pulling that back out too, especially now that I've started getting into jazz and particularly Miles Davis. I'm reading his autobiography right now, actually; learning about how he got started in NYC playing with Dizzy and Bird and everything, 'tis cool stuff

 

[ps139]

When did you play trumpet?

 

[nadroj1985]

When did you play trumpet?

Middle school- 6th through 8th grade. Had a blast with it, but kinda let it go in high school b/c I didn't want to be in the marching band.

 

[ps139]

Good news. There is a critical learning period for music, just like there is for language acquisition, and probably a lot of other stuff. For the average person, the earlier you play the more fluent you will be with it in later years, and I think you can potentially learn it better. So if you played an instrument when you were 11 or 12 thats good news, because the neural pathways in your brain were not yet fully formed, it was still in a stage where there was potential for different things. These things sort of "freeze" in place around probably 14 or 15, and then its harder to pick them up afterwards. But if you decide to pick up an instrument I think you will benefit greatly from your trumpet experience (doesnt really matter how good/bad you were) from when you were 12. Of course some people have so much latent talent that this doesnt apply to them. Like Jack Black as I said above. But most people aren't like that.

 

[theFijian]

NME = New Musical Express

If you are offended that I said that opinions of people who play are more valuable than those of people who dont,

Actually what you said was...

In my opinion critics have the most meaningless jobs in the world......I see critics as nothing but complainers

You seem to be in a minority, if they truely were meaningless then they'd be out of a job. Is it that you just disagree with most of them or something esle?

I'm sorry. But its the truth

Don't be sorry, what is true is that it's possible to know how to play an instrument and talk utter drivel. Have you ever read an interview with Noel Gallagher?