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"We know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit Himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered"
Romans 8:26

The general ministry of the Holy Spirit in Christian prayer is much neglected. Scripture clearly teaches that our access to the Father is not only through the Son, but by the Spirit: the Holy Spirit's inspiration is as necessary as the Son's mediation, in our access to God in prayer.

In the above verse the Holy Spirit's ministry in the Christian's prayer life is much more specific. It would indicate that there are times when a believer may not be able to communicate prayer in words, so they they groan without words. Sometimes we find ourselves brought to silence by the intensity of our longings. Or we may feel so burdened by our mortality, or by our indwelling sin, that we can only groan.

Notice these groanings - we can only groan "with sighs too deep for words" (RSV) Now these unutterable sighs, or groans - what J.B.Phillips calls "those agonising longings which never find words" - are not to be despised, as if we ought to put them into language. On the contrary, when prayerful communication with the Father becomes so intense, and we sigh with inarticulate longings and desires, it is the Holy Spirit Himself interceding on our behalf prompting those groans.

God the Father understands prayers which are sighed rather than said, because God searches our hearts, can read our hearts and thoughts and knows what is in the mind of the Spirit, because the Holy Spirit always prays in accordance with the will of God v 27. And so our Father in heaven answers the prayer prompted by the Spirit in our hearts

"Prayer is the soul's sincere desire,
Uttered or unexpressed.........."
 

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I totally agree with you cavell. Some of the experiences I have had in intercession would probably sound a little strange to some people, but when you are open to the Holy Spirit, you have to be willing to spiritually go into some areas that may not be comfortable. I realize that there is some danger in this and some weird things have been done by people claiming to be "in the Spirit". But we need to remember that one of the best ploys of the enemy is to counterfeit what God has created, and I think this has happened in the Pentacostal church in the past a lot. Let's not "throw the baby out with the bath water". We need to be teachable and be open to what God wants to do in and through us. After all, God's written word is revealed to our understanding by the Spirit.
This is a really good post, cavell. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and wisdom.

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The only thing that concerns me about this, is having once been involved in the occult, I will open myself up again to dangerous things. One of my biggest challenges at the moment is how to walk in the spirit without doing that.

Yes, that can be a real danger, but as you stay in the word, in fellowship with other believers, time in prayer, and just generally grow in the Lord, you will come to see the difference more and more. Just take it slow and take your time. God will not lead you into any place that He cannot keep you.
 
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Appreciate and agree with your sentiments brother Pilgrim.

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth.

There is no danger, when we are praying to the Lord, and waiting, travailing before the LOrd in prayer.

Danger in whatever form, cannot intrude when we are communicating with the Lord God Almighty.
 
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Appreciate and agree with your sentiments brother Pilgrim.

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth.

There is no danger, when we are praying to the Lord, and waiting, travailing before the LOrd in prayer.

Danger in whatever form, cannot intrude when we are communicating with the Lord God Almighty.

Your OP expresses something that is rarely seen in words. That personal reaching for God where the soul has no other language but that of spirit. That terrible aching and need that cannot in any place on earth be met.

One almost hears it at brief moments in the total abstraction of music, in expressions that no words can ever convey.

This reminds me of the universal concepts of languages which have been formulated by human beings, yet God hears all souls in the same way, perhaps.

From any place on earth, all through living history, the souls that reached for their Creator and were met in the Holy Spirit.
 
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Appreciate and agree with your sentiments brother Pilgrim.

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth.

There is no danger, when we are praying to the Lord, and waiting, travailing before the LOrd in prayer.

Danger in whatever form, cannot intrude when we are communicating with the Lord God Almighty.

Yes, this is all true cavell, however I am SISTER Pilgrim, not brother. lol
 
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