Women Restrictions?

filosofer · Jan 16, 2007

seajoy said:
I think it was the LCC, perhaps? (or is there a CLC?) A friend told me they thought we didn't stop fellowship with the LCMS 'soon' enough. But was that in the 90's?

Sorry to try and answer for you Jim...please correct me if I'm wrong.

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WELS broke fellowship with LCSM in 1962, because LCMS was in fellowship discussion at the time with ALC (eventually LCMS-ALC fellowship established in 1969-1981). ELS broke fellowship with LCMS in 1955.

In Christ's love,
filo
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seajoy · Jan 16, 2007

filosofer said:
WELS broke fellowship with LCSM in 1962, because LCMS was in fellowship discussion at the time with ALC (eventually LCMS-ALC fellowship established in 1969-1981). ELS broke fellowship with LCMS in 1955.

In Christ's love,
filo

Looks like I had my L's & C's (and missing some A's & M's) all in the wrong place .
Thanks filo!

C.F.W. Walther · Jan 17, 2007

Where's the AFL-CIO fit in?

seajoy · Jan 17, 2007

Radidio said:
Where's the AFL-CIO fit in?

Studeclunker · Jan 17, 2007

ALC? You mean that group of wackos that came up with the 'Statement On Human Sexuality' that caused such blood-letting in the ELCA??? They're in fellowship with LCMS? Oh my. That's... upsetting news. I can understand why WELS broke off fellowship. It's disturbing that ALC had fellowship with LCMS for twelve years. Oh my.

Gospellightofmine · Jan 17, 2007

I must say these acronyms are hilarious to watch fly across my screen .... I think we should create a cross reference ....

Ok so why isn't WELS in fellowship w/ CLC?

Can you elaborate on that statement of human sexuality? ...

Wow am I new or what....

LutherNut · Jan 17, 2007

filosofer said:
WELS broke fellowship with LCSM in 1962, because LCMS was in fellowship discussion at the time with ALC (eventually LCMS-ALC fellowship established in 1969-1981). ELS broke fellowship with LCMS in 1955.

In Christ's love,
filo

The ELS broke fellowship with LCMS AFTER WELS did, not before. I also believe that it marked the dissolution of the Synodical Conference. The LCMS and Synod of Evangelical Lutheran Churches merged in '71.

filosofer · Jan 17, 2007

LutherNut said:
The ELS broke fellowship with LCMS AFTER WELS did, not before. I also believe that it marked the dissolution of the Synodical Conference. The LCMS and Synod of Evangelical Lutheran Churches merged in '71.

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I think you might want to check your history books a little closer. ELS broke fellowship with LCMS and Synodical Conference first, while retaining fellowship with WELS.

Also, the ELC is not the same as ELS.

In Christ's love,
filo
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Studeclunker · Jan 17, 2007

Oh my (LOL)! This sounds like a bunch of brits sitting around the table discussing burecratic departments (LOL)!

The Statement On Human Sexuality, was a work in progress just previous to the merger of the American Luthern Church (ALC), Luthern Church of America (LCA my branch at the time), Evangelical Luthern Church (ELC), and... oh, I forget who all else. The ALC was the source of this... thing. The scholars who were working on the document were allowed to continue work on it with the strict instructions that it would not be released to the public till after the review process. They side-stepped this process and released it to the media upon completion.

This Document boiled down to claiming that there are five sexes to the human being. Hetro-sexual Male, Hetro-S. Female, Homo-S Male, Homo-S Female, and transvestite of either sex. They claimed that this perversity is natural and should be accepted. Citing several quotations of scripture, these people claimed that this perversity was approved of and accepted by God and the church. Mostly this was done by taking fragments of scripture out of context and perverting them to mean the opposite of the writer's intention. You have no idea the pain, sorrow, and chaos this caused nation-wide. ELCA lost a record number of it's members overnight. That included me. Had it not been for listening to The White Horse Inn the following Saturday night, I would probably be worshiping at a Calvary Chapel now. Dr. Rod Rosenbladt persuaded me to stay in the Luthern church by changing over to LCMS.

The worst part of this travesty, was that it was released to the media before it was released to the church body. I first heard of it on the evening news. It was embarrasing to have my Mother look over to me and ask 'what the Hell are you people doing to the church?' People at work and other places were asking me questions about it and I had no answers for any of them. It took almost a month before I saw a copy of the document. When I did I wept that my church was capable of such... well, frankly... such a heretical document.

The most painful event of this whole process was when Bishop Chisolm (don't know how to spell the man's name) of the Pacifica Synod, stated publicly that the document was fair and should be adopted as a teaching tool throughout the synods. A little leaven, leavens the lump.

Do I sound a little bitter? You bet! I still pray to have the ability to forgive these people for what they did to me and hundreds of thousands of other people.

I'm sorry about going on so long. My appologies to the moderators. This is off the subject of the thread. Still, I thought it might be of interest.

LutherNut · Jan 17, 2007

filosofer said:
I think you might want to check your history books a little closer. ELS broke fellowship with LCMS and Synodical Conference first, while retaining fellowship with WELS.

Also, the ELC is not the same as ELS.

In Christ's love,
filo

I stand corrected, but you did have the wrong year. It was 1957, not '55.

...and what is the ELC?

seajoy · Jan 18, 2007

soon the fbi will be checking out this thread, looking for secret codes.

filosofer · Jan 18, 2007

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According to Moving Frontiers, page 412, ELS broke fellowship with LCMS in 1955, and WELS broke fellowship with LCMS in 1961. That's as I personally remember too.

In Christ's love,
filo
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DaRev · Jan 18, 2007

filosofer said:
According to Moving Frontiers, page 412, ELS broke fellowship with LCMS in 1955, and WELS broke fellowship with LCMS in 1961. That's as I personally remember too.

In Christ's love,
filo

If memory serves, the ELS broke fellowship in '55, but did not leave the Synodical Conference becasue of their fellowship with Wisconsin who was still in fellowship with LCMS until '61. My recollection is that although ELS broke fellowship first, the WELS actually left the Synodical Conference before the ELS... chronologically, anyway.

DaRev · Jan 18, 2007

filosofer said:
Also, the ELC is not the same as ELS.

LutherNut said:
...and what is the ELC?

I believe he is referring to the SELC (Slovak Evangelical Lutheran Church, later changed its name to Synod of Evangelical Lutheran Churches). It was one of the four members of the Synodical Conference.

In 1971, the SELC merged with the Missouri Synod and became the SELC District (the letters SELC no longer stand for anything, although as an outreach slogan, we say Showing Everyone the Love of Christ).

filosofer · Jan 18, 2007

DaRev said:
If memory serves, the ELS broke fellowship in '55, but did not leave the Synodical Conference becasue of their fellowship with Wisconsin who was still in fellowship with LCMS until '61. My recollection is that although ELS broke fellowship first, the WELS actually left the Synodical Conference before the ELS... chronologically, anyway.

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Yep, and that was my point. ELS broke fellowship with LCMS first, then WELS, regardless of how the Synodical Conference fell apart.

In Christ's love,
filo
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dinkime · Jan 18, 2007

seajoy said:
soon the fbi will be checking out this thread, looking for secret codes.

well, that is one way to get the word out about the Lutheran church!!

Studeclunker · Jan 18, 2007

Gee... I didn't know that DaVinci was a Lutheran (LOL)!

Flipper · Jan 27, 2007

I was reading in MSN that a woman was denied tenure and fired from a Baptist Seminary because she was a female. She was a "theology professor" but she taught Hebrew. She wasn't teaching anything having to do with pastoring others.

What are your thoughts - here's the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16828466/

filosofer · Jan 27, 2007

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Here is a translation blog that addresses the issue of women teaching Biblical languages. Thought-provoking...

In Christ's love,
filo
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Flipper · Jan 27, 2007

Did you read the comments to the blog?

So, a woman can't teach a man in such a way that she would have authority over the man, but it's ok for a man to listen to a recording of a woman teaching other women, and get something out of it? What kind of logic is that?

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