Women Priests.

[sparow]

In my minimum experience women make good Priests; but does the Law allow for women priests; does the law forbid women priest? Does women Priests depend on the law being abrogated? Are women Priests a judgement on the inadequacy of men?

 

[Albion]

Hello, sparow. This topic has just about been talked to death on a number of different threads here. One of the most recent is this one, which you might consider turning to:

The World Needs Women Priests
Discussion in 'General Theology'

 

[sparow]

Hello, sparow. This topic has just about been talked to death on a number of different threads here. One of the most recent is this one, which you might consider turning to:

The World Needs Women Priests
Discussion in 'General Theology'

The reason I started this thread here is over there their statement of purpose prevented unbiased debate

 

[Albion]

Thanks

 

[Basil the Great]

Most everyone says that John Paul II closed the door on the matter. Maybe, but who knows what could happen in 100 years? After all, Cantate Domino was considered an infallible Papal Bull for centuries and Ultra-Traditional Catholics still view it as infallible. Yet, the current Catholic teaching on "invincible ignorance" has opened the door of salvation to non-Catholic Christians and non-Christians, something that was specifically closed in the Cantate Domino Papal Bull. Hence, only time will tell if the Catholic Church will one day change it's mind and allow women priests.

 

[returntosender]

No

 

[Gregory Thompson]

?? How so?

Controversial theology is the last place to have an honest conversation about anything theological.

Every theological thread with any controversy should have a post in GT and CT.

 

[Paidiske]

In my minimum experience women make good Priests; but does the Law allow for women priests; does the law forbid women priest? Does women Priests depend on the law being abrogated? Are women Priests a judgement on the inadequacy of men?

Hi, I'm a woman who's a priest. (Just so that's really clear up front).

Which law are you talking about? Mosaic law, canon law, some other law?

For what it's worth, I don't believe women priests are a judgement on the inadequacy of men; I believe that God calls whom He wills, and gifts the people He calls, for the good of the Church and the world.

But in general terms I do think diversity amongst the clergy is a good thing; we are better able to serve a diverse Church and society if we have a range of gifts, personalities, histories, experiences, skills, and so on.

 

[Basil the Great]

I personally see nothing wrong with women priests. The Catholic Church seems to take the position that they must follow the lead of Jesus, in that all 12 of his close disciples were men. However, his approach could well have just reflected the norms of life in the 1st Century.

 

[Aussie Pete]

In my minimum experience women make good Priests; but does the Law allow for women priests; does the law forbid women priest? Does women Priests depend on the law being abrogated? Are women Priests a judgement on the inadequacy of men?

First up, all Christians are priests. If you mean should women be appointed as pastors, that's another issue entirely. If you are referring to the now superseded law of Moses, women were not permitted to be priests.

 

[sparow]

Most everyone says that John Paul II closed the door on the matter. Maybe, but who knows what could happen in 100 years? After all, Cantate Domino was considered an infallible Papal Bull for centuries and Ultra-Traditional Catholics still view it as infallible. Yet, the current Catholic teaching on "invincible ignorance" has opened the door of salvation to non-Catholic Christians and non-Christians, something that was specifically closed in the Cantate Domino Papal Bull. Hence, only time will tell if the Catholic Church will one day change it's mind and allow women priests.

Interesting, but my interest is the authority of God; where does God stand on this issue; is sin involved?

 

[Basil the Great]

If one accepts that Paul always spoke for God, completely and without exception, then I guess the answer is clear, as Paul stated that women should be silent in church. However, Jesus never made such a remark. Also, let us not forget that Paul also told slaves to be obedient to their Earthly masters, which was absolutely an indirect endorsement of the institution of slavery. Hence, was Paul always perfect in his instructions to the early Church?

 

[sparow]

Hi, I'm a woman who's a priest. (Just so that's really clear up front).

Which law are you talking about? Mosaic law, canon law, some other law?

For what it's worth, I don't believe women priests are a judgement on the inadequacy of men; I believe that God calls whom He wills, and gifts the people He calls, for the good of the Church and the world.

But in general terms I do think diversity amongst the clergy is a good thing; we are better able to serve a diverse Church and society if we have a range of gifts, personalities, histories, experiences, skills, and so on.

I don't want to get personal; I view these threads as motivation to experience parts of the teaching of God where one might not otherwise go; one eats and grows into harvestable fruit, hopefully.

It is my observation that many of the things we are taught are the teaching of men opposed to the teaching of God, or as Isaiah prophesied we will wear our own garments and use His name to hide our shame.

I have a relative, the daughter of my mother's cousin, who was an Anglican Deacon, the head of a Girl's School and later the head of an administration department, where presumably she would have had authority over men. She would be retired now I expect.

God's Law is God's Law and it does not change, it is a rock, whether it is given through Adam, Noah, Moses or Jesus and Moses as administrator of the Law may have coloured the Law in his own way as did Jesus; but the Ten Commandments always remain an abstract of the Law, the covenants and everything God has taught. The “mosaic” Law may serve to distinguish a timeline but Moses never owned created the Law.

As a function of the new covenant the Law is written on the mind and heart. This is different to the old covenant only in that in the old one had to learn the Law and write it on ones own mind and heart; so today who has the Law written on their hearts and in their mind; is it those who originally entered into the covenant, those hundred or so and their descendants or does it happen at the resurrection of the righteous?

 

[sparow]

If one accepts that Paul always spoke for God, completely and without exception, then I guess the answer is clear, as Paul stated that women should be silent in church. However, Jesus never made such a remark. Also, let us not forget that Paul also told slaves to be obedient to their Earthly masters, which was absolutely an indirect endorsement of the institution of slavery. Hence, was Paul always perfect in his instructions to the early Church?

Paul was a Pharisee and knew the scriptures, but I believe he was self appointed; he was always in conflict with James and the Jerusalem church and threatened to curse them for preaching a different Gospel. There were bad forms of slavery in those days but language wise, slave or it's original equivalent was used to describe any form of employment.

 

[sparow]

First up, all Christians are priests. If you mean should women be appointed as pastors, that's another issue entirely. If you are referring to the now superseded law of Moses, women were not permitted to be priests.

There is nothing unlawful about women Pastoring to women or boys under the age of thirteen and never has been. Moses was superseded by Jesus, but the Law is not superseded.

 

[Paidiske]

As a function of the new covenant the Law is written on the mind and heart. This is different to the old covenant only in that in the old one had to learn the Law and write it on ones own mind and heart; so today who has the Law written on their hearts and in their mind; is it those who originally entered into the covenant, those hundred or so and their descendants or does it happen at the resurrection of the righteous?

I would argue, I think, that it's part of the process of sanctification; the work of the Spirit in a believer over a lifetime. All of us learn and grow at the Spirit's prompting, over time.

 

[sparow]

I would argue, I think, that it's part of the process of sanctification; the work of the Spirit in a believer over a lifetime. All of us learn and grow at the Spirit's prompting, over time.

It is a "covenant" poor choice of word, us, would be those in covenant with Him and thereby sanctified; some of them are also sanctified, sanctified as Lawless.

 

[Aussie Pete]

There is nothing unlawful about women Pastoring to women or boys under the age of thirteen and never has been. Moses was superseded by Jesus, but the Law is not superseded.

You missed my point. ALL Christians are priests. That is male or female. I made no comment on whether or not women should be pastors. That can of worms remains closed for the time being.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

phh as ruth is compared to ruthless syanara

 

[Saint Steven]

The Assemblies of God published this white paper in 2010 on the subject of women in ministry. Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site | The Role of Women in Ministry Here's the conclusion. The article is quite good.

Therefore We Conclude
After examining the various translations and interpretations of biblical passages relating to the role of women in the first-century church, and desiring to apply biblical principles to contemporary church practice, we conclude that we cannot find convincing evidence that the ministry of women is restricted according to some sacred or immutable principle.