women priests

[marciadietrich]

There are several sources of infallible Church teachings. An ex cathedra pronouncement is just one of them, and not the only - or even the most important - one.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Maximus again.

 

[JJM]

JJM,

Not everything in an ecumenical council is infallible. Take for example, Canon Law.

But speaking on matters of faith and morals, they most certainly are.

THat's true I need to make sure I word things correctly.

 

[QuagDabPeg]

Says who? You?

Tell me, how do you tell if a Pope has spoken ex cathedra?

Let us look at the following pronouncement:
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.

"all doubt may be removed"

"no authority whatsoever to confer"

"definitively held"

And funny enough: Read this...



Especially where it says:

Some Catholics wrongly believe that ONLY "ex cathedra" Papal Statements are infallible.​

Everything I've ever read says he's only spoken ex cathedra 3 times. I know we've had counsil and stuff, but the pope only 3 times has used it. He gives other declairations that are strongly binding, but I've never read a source that says he's used it multiple times. He can't just say something and then we all decide it's ex cathedra (which I think happens a lot), he has to say he is doing it.

 

[Skripper]

Everything I've ever read says he's only spoken ex cathedra 3 times. I know we've had counsil and stuff, but the pope only 3 times has used it. He gives other declairations that are strongly binding, but I've never read a source that says he's used it multiple times. He can't just say something and then we all decide it's ex cathedra (which I think happens a lot), he has to say he is doing it.

Yet this is unrelated to the topic of this thread, which is whether or not the male-only priesthood is infallible. Which it is, by virture of the Ordinary Magisterium of the Church. The Pope then reiterated this already-infallible teaching, in the encyclical, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.

 

[nyj]

Everything I've ever read says he's only spoken ex cathedra 3 times. I know we've had counsil and stuff, but the pope only 3 times has used it. He gives other declairations that are strongly binding, but I've never read a source that says he's used it multiple times. He can't just say something and then we all decide it's ex cathedra (which I think happens a lot), he has to say he is doing it.

I'm trying to remember the last time I read the Pope saying "I am now about to speak ex cathedra...". Do you have an example? What Pope John Paul II said in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis is the same exact terminology Pope Pius XII used in Munificentissimus Deus (if you read it, the phrase "ex cathedra" is nowhere to be found).