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Woman in Genesis

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Please don't take this as sexist or in any way belittling women.

When God created man, was this his only thought for creation initially, for there to be just one man, he gave man everything that God thought he wanted, so therefore God thought man was complete as he had created help-meets for adam in the form of animals and God himself was his companion. Then he saw that adam needed a help-meet that was more compatible with adam so created Eve, an afterthought?.

So initially did God only intend that an image of himself to be the inheriter of earth and it's only occupant with all the animals if adam was satisfied? Or was woman always in the picture?



 

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Caliban said:
Please don't take this as sexist or in any way belittling women.

When God created man, was this his only thought for creation initially, for there to be just one man, he gave man everything that God thought he wanted, so therefore God thought man was complete as he had created help-meets for adam in the form of animals and God himself was his companion. Then he saw that adam needed a help-meet that was more compatible with adam so created Eve, an afterthought?.

So initially did God only intend that an image of himself to be the inheriter of earth and it's only occupant with all the animals if adam was satisfied? Or was woman always in the picture?

According to Genesis 1, God created humans male and female.

If one were to argue that God "had created help-meets for adam in the form of animals" then the argumentum ad absurdam would be that the original intent of God for human sexuality was bestiality. :eek:
 
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I believe that the creation of women was not an afterthought. That would make God the biggest sexist and the master of belittling women. Women were created in His image too. God did say, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness...(Gen 1:26 NIV)." Also, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them (Gen 1:27 NIV)." Since woman was also created in His image, do you think that God consided that part of His image an afterthought?

Maybe God delayed the creation of woman to show Adam the difference. "Let Adam feel something is missing/incomplete, and he'll appreciate My next creation more. Maybe he won't feel like he can abuse her since she was created second, and from him, since he knows what it feels like to be alone." Maybe God didn't create the two genders at the same time because of this.
 
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s_gunter I agree with you, its odd though that he mentions that he already created woman, even though most see god as a him and there are no female angels, so what image was eve created in, that of man, which we all know how completely different we are LOL (jk)

Some even go as far to say that Eve might not have been the first woman. That there may have been one who was also in the image of God, equal to adam and not created from adam....but then eve was created as a things didn't work out with the first one ;)
 
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Genesis 1 proves that men and women are equal to God.

Genesis 2 is the source of Hebrew Law.

And in the Hebrew Law, according to the ritual/holiess parts of it, women were treated as second class (really fourth class IMO).

No more ritual/holiness Law though thanks to Jesus.

So, Genesis 1 is the way to go.
 
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Very thought provoking question. If one were to take it as God created Adam, perhaps planned to stop there, but after evaluating the situation further, saw that Adam wasnt going to make it on his own, and then created Eve, then that brings up all sorts of good possibilites. Such as that God takes into account our needs and desires and can "change" His mind....perhaps that Adam was God's first try, and he improved on the model with His second try(woman), found it to be self contained and sufficient on it's own, and stopped there! ;)
 
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Below are some answers when I asked on another forum (not mine by the by)

Adam is the first group of people under God.They were a group of people.

Eve represents serpent contaminated religion. Woman represented pure law of God.After Woman fell she was renamed Eve.

Adam and Eve´s spiritual children were Cain(the serpents line) and Able(God´s line). Cain spiritually killed Able and enslaved Ables mind under manmade religion. Seth was born and kept the line of God alive which led to Jesus.

Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Woman renamed to Eve after the fall
Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife´s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

"Blood was spilled"

Spiritual blood.Cain spiritually killed Able and enslaved him under false religion.Seth represented people trying to get back to the LORD and Woman.Jesus restores us to Woman.

John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Jesus is the spiritual light of Woman.




Basically what happened is mankind was fat and happy in the Garden of Eden walking at one with God.Then the serpent introduced false religion and the Garden of Eden lifestyle fell apart.Much false religion stuff sprung up and it was a huge mess so God wiped it out with the spiritual flood of Noah.Then mankind started over again.Noah had Shem and Ham. Ham led to Nimrod which led to the religion of man and government of man that we have today.Shem led to Judah and the Lion of Judah Jesus.Jesus restores us to the the original ways of Woman that would put mankind back in a Garden of Eden existence if they believed on Jesus and just loved one another and truth and avoided fallen religions of man.

Genesis 6:4 - (Origin of the Nephilim)
At that time the Nephilim appeared on earth after the sons of heaven had intercourse with the daughters of man, who bore them sons. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown."


They were just men who used one of man´s new false religions(its daughters) to become Kings and rulers over the spiritually dead sheeple.The Nephilim are here today.You see them in the false churches and governments ruling over the sheeple.

and another interpretation

Pay close attention wondering because I am going to give you the correct answer to that question.

First let me tell you this. It was not Cains sister that he took for a wife. No pay attention please this is slightly difficult to grasp if you can´t let go of the rubbish you heard in church.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

That is the end of creation more or less but not really the end. here´s why that is true.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Generations? How does generations fit in with 6 days? Is that saying the earth was not created in 6 days as we understand da to mean? Exactly what it is doing. Look.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

But wait? How can we reconclie both of these?

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

AND

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Unless they are the same man?

Well, don´t let the people in the churches do the reconciling here because they don´t know how. Ok, i grant it that many of them are at least aware of the difference here and they have a term they use to describe it they call "pre-admic" man. Not exactly accurate but stioll the truth.

Basically Adam was not the first man created according to the bible. Adam was the first man created considering the redemption plan God had in mind. Adam was the first man that was going to be subjected to the wiles of the devil.

so basically when God tossed Cain out of the garden there were already other tribes wondering the earth. How long had they been there before God made Adam? Who knows? There isn´t a single clue in the bible its self, but the earth is ripe with answers. It´s just nearly impossible to put all those clues together in such a fashion that the question is satisfactorily answered.

Consider this truth.

The evening and the morning was the sixth day.

What Hebrew word was used to translate or translitrate into the English word "day"? Nevermind the other terminology about "evening and the morning" the key word to focus in on here is "day".

The Hebrew word is Yom. strongs tells us that Yom means this:

yôm
OR
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

So now I ask this. With all thos epossible meanings for the word Yom, which is the ideal word to use from the English?

Well consider verse Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created,

What kind of a 24 hour day equates to "generations"? Well none is the correct answer so that leaves the original question unanswered, sort of.

But suppose that the churchs that lie ans say it is either six 24 hour days or 6 thousand years (adopting that belief from the two verses that state 1000 years is as a day with God)
are actually wrong, and I say they are. Suppose here that God is simply telling us that he is timeless and evne though a thousand years go by no real time passed for Him.

Also notice on both the 5th and 6th days how God handles creation. Telling elements to produce things that have life. That isn´t quite the picture they tried to get into our heads in Sungodday school at church. They painted this picture of God speaking everything into existance all at once. God said He told the water to bring forth life and that he told the ground to bring forth life. Doesn´t that leave room for the secularist term "evolution"? a bit open? Yes it does to be quite honest.

Do you see what I am attempting to tell you?
 
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Caliban said:
Some even go as far to say that Eve might not have been the first woman. That there may have been one who was also in the image of God, equal to adam and not created from adam....but then eve was created as a things didn't work out with the first one ;)

Caliban, I promise that I didn't not mean to imply, "When God created Adam, he realized He could do better so He created Eve......" I did not mean to imply reverse sexism...
 
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lakesidelady said:
I think of it this way. God was always going to create Eve, but He had to convince Man it was a good idea. So He had Man look around at the animals and realize something was missing in his life. As a result, Adam loved and appreciated Eve.

Very much simpler explanation of what I was trying to say. Thanks! ;)
 
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Hello,

God created Man (literally ADAM) first, then decided Adam should have a companion and He created woman.

Looking at the timerline, this was the same day, maybe hours, maybe only seconds after Adam was created.

In my own opinion, it was less than one second.

Once Adam existed, the future would 'jell' and the benefits of 'woman' would be obvious.
 
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I hardly think Eve was an afterthought - surely God is beyond the timeframe that restricts us humans to thoughts and afterthoughts. Although Eve came after Adam, she would always be necessary for the human race to begin. I believe that God always intended to create Eve, but man came first. Distinct points in time are hardly a problem for God, who is and was and ever shall be. For us, we can see that Adam first reveals the unity of all humans (male and female) as part of the human race. Eve coming from the rib of Adam (as with the 2nd creation account) also emphasises the singular species of Homo sapiens.
 
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