Wolseley

[Hoonbaba]

Hey Wolseley,

You made a statement on another thread and I was wondering about it:

Incidentally, I can give you a boatload of references to vernacular Bibles that circulated amongst the common people from 400 AD to 1500 AD---and they weren't Protestant Bibles, either.

Can you point me to those sources?  I'd like to know more about this

God bless!

-Jason

 

[dignitized]

Hoon: it is accepted that Bede the Venerable had translated the scriptures into the Vernacular in England long before Wycliffe.

What more, the early church had the scriptures in the vernacular greek

 

[Wolseley]

I have several references, but I'll restrict myself to just one book for tonight---I think I'm coming down with something and I have felt like 5000 pounds of homemade sin all day today. (Just in time for Christmas, too. Pray for me that it won't be as bad as last Christmas, when I got so sick I would've had to get better to die.

Here is a post from another thread, in which I used Monsignor Henry G. Graham's Where We Got the Bible as a primary source:

From http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=86925&highlight=Rushworth+Gloss#post86925:

Prior to the Reformation, there were Church-approved vernacular translations in Spanish, Italian, Danish, French, Norwegian, Polish, Bohemian, and Hungarian. In English alone, we have the Anglo-Saxon translation of Caedmon of Whitby in the 600's AD, the Saxon versions of Bede of Jarrow, Eadhelm of Sherbourne, Guthlac of Peterborough, and one Egbert in the 700's AD; then the free translations of Alfred the Great and Aelfric of Canturbury, the Book of Durham, and the Rushworth Gloss from well before the Norman Conquest; the Orm Paraphrase of 1150 and the Salus Animae of 1250, and the Middle English translations of William Shoreham and Richard Rolle, both from the 1300's.

All of these, you will take note, existed centuries before John Wycliffe's flawed English translation of 1525, which was full of translational errors and was in fact, so bad that Henry VIII ordered every copy of it within the realm to located, seized, and burned. The idea that the Church kept the Bible out of the language of the people in order to keep them in the dark is a load of baloney. Were there Bibles in Latin? Sure; it was the Church's litrugical language. Were Bibles chained to pulpits in churches? Sure they were. They were copied by hand and often decorated with precious stones and metals, and ergo represented both decades of work and extreme monetary value---they were chained up to keep thieves from stealing them---but anyone who could read was free to enter the church and read the village Bible at any time. Which brings up the point of literacy; most common people during the Middle Ages couldn't read anyway, so it really didn't matter much if their Bible was in Latin, English, German, Hindustani, or Klingon, did it? If you can't read, you can't read.

Hope this helps!

 

[isshinwhat]

Bravo, my good man... Good post...

 

[ZooMom]

Praying for Wols. I'm on the upward curve of a cold I have had for about 2 weeks now. Still trying not to cough more than 10 times a minute.

 

[Wolseley]

Thanks, Sandy. I don't know whether this is flu, or what----I've been sneezing all day and I ache all over, especially my shoulders, arms, chest, and back. Plus I feel like like a wrung-out dishrag. My throat is just a touch sore, and I've been fooling around with some low-grade congestion for days now. Whatever it is, it's weird; at least four times I've sworn I was going to wake up feeling worse than I did when I went to bed, and in the morning, I felt fine. Today is the worst I've had so far, though.....

 

[ZooMom]

Good grief. Sounds like flu to me. Or maybe even strep. You'd probably run a fever with strep, though. Get some oranges from VOW, and slather on the Vicks. That stuff may be old fashioned, but I haven't found anything that decongests as well, even the stuff that dopes you up. Of course, when I'm really bad off and just want to switch myself off, I take a nice big shot of NyQuil. Guarantees me 8 dreamless hours every time.

Take care of yourself, my friend.

 

[kern]

I had a darn cold too; took me out of work for 4 days. But I went to church on Sunday and a lady next to me told me that I sang well for a sick person, and the guy in front of me thanked me for not shaking his hand during the "peace be with you" part.

-Chris

 

[ZooMom]

Praying for you too, Chris.

 

[Hoonbaba]

Hi Wolseley,

Thanks for sharing. Actually I just started reading Graham's book today

I'll be praying for you as well =)

God bless!

-Jason

 

[VOW]

I'll recommend the Vicks, too. My great-grandmother swore by the stuff. She'd even EAT it. Now before you start wondering about insanity in my family, the label on the back of the jar used to recommend all KINDS of things you could do with Vicks, and yes, you were supposed to eat a "pea-sized lump" for relief. Now, all that is a no-no. I use it in "illicit ways" myself. I put it up my nose. NOTHING works as well as that when you are so congested you think you've been sniffing cement.

I'll give you a sack of oranges, Wols. And I think I still have some zinc lozenges around here someplace.

Zoo, I found that peach brandy works about the same as Nyquil, and it sure TASTES better, too!


Peace,
~VOW

 

[Wolseley]

I used to eat Vicks as a kid, but I don't know if it did anything or not. And NyQuil used to work wonders for me, too, but I'm afraid nowadays with my hypertension, if I took NyQuil, it would send my blood pressure through the stratosphere.

I'm......different today; still feel weak and watery, still hurt all over, but the sore throat is gone. As for my mental state, I feel like one of those cartoon characters that stands there with the little bubbles popping all around his head after getting walloped with something. Got a jim-dandy headache, too.

I think it's a day to sit and watch movies.

 

[VOW]

Movies are good....I was just recommending "Angela's Ashes" to Joe.


Peace and Tylenol,
~VOW

 

[kern]

I think the Cold-Eeze zinc tablets work well.

-Chris

 

[Avila]

Recovering from that same cold ourselves, all I can recommend is lots of rest. I had some good success with echinacea, as well. DH and Tommy used this homeopathic stuff - "NatraBio Sinus" - in conjunction with "regular" medicine, and they did pretty well too. It has left us all with a cough, but at least we don't feel bad. Here's hoping you get rid of the worst of it before Christmas!