Woke is Marxism Evolved to Take on the West

Chesterton said:

the roots of Marxism pre-date Marx himself; they go back to Hegel

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Add to the list of precursors of Marxism: the Levellers and Diggers of the English Commonwealth of the Seventeenth Century.

Matt5 said:

This is an interesting Tweet from Xi Van Fleet, who came from China. A Brazilian team was in the US to investigate Wokeism because America is spreading it to Brazil.

I was honored to be interviewed by a documentary crew from Brazil. They work for a conservative media outlet known as Brazil’s Daily Wire. They travelled all the way to the US to document the rise of Communism & Wokeism in America. Why? Bc America has been exporting cultural Marxism to the rest of the world including Brazil. Critical race theory, critical feminist theory, critical queer theory, DEI, & ESG have been pushed by the Brazilian mainstream media & academia and these woke ideologies are finding their way to the popular culture in Brazil.

https://t.co/GnjeI1GsqS

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From her account:

Chinese by birth; American by choice. Survivor of Mao’s Cultural Revolution. Defender of liberty.

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Xi Van Fleet on Twitter: "I am deeply thankful. Today 35 yr ago, my dream came true. I was granted a student visa to come to USA. I no longer feel this is the America that I arrived in. She has been under attack by Marxism/Communism that I thought I had escaped from. That’s why I am fighting to save her! https://t.co/kFLLVNwCsx" / Twitter

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You know that’s an opinion piece, right?

Matt5 said:

I'm retired now, but I used to belong to a society of insurance mathematicians. Even this society was pushing DEI.

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As opposed to not acknowledging diversity, rejecting equality and excluding people?

Now let me get this straight. On the one hand we have the Marxist woke movement out to destabilize world cultures and impose a new order of equality. Then on the other hand we have the Fascist anti-woke movement out to create a ruthless dictatorship that suppresses anyone who isn't a straight white male. Great, just great, here I am in the middle having to oppose both nightmarish forces. As if I didn't have enough to do, with both Biden and Trump trying to destroy the world as we know it.

On the bright side, my plans for global warming are cooking along nicely.

Yttrium said:

Now let me get this straight. On the one hand we have the Marxist woke movement out to destabilize world cultures and impose a new order of equality. Then on the other hand we have the Fascist anti-woke movement out to create a ruthless dictatorship that suppresses anyone who isn't a straight white male. Great, just great, here I am in the middle having to oppose both nightmarish forces. As if I didn't have enough to do, with both Biden and Trump trying to destroy the world as we know it.

On the bright side, my plans for global warming are cooking along nicely.

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I'm GenX, whatever.

We were born under Watergate, survived the Day After, cried at the Challenger and Columbia disasters, watched the Wall come down, invaded Grenada, Iraq, Iraq again after 9-11 and a few financial crises. We'll be fine

Matt5 said:

I'm retired now, but I used to belong to a society of insurance mathematicians. Even this society was pushing DEI. And apparently it's being pushed in other countries. So where does it come from? Is that just an opinion? And what about the DEI baggage:

"Critical race theory, critical feminist theory, critical queer theory, DEI, & ESG ... ."

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That exactly is wrong with DEI?

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Woke is a scare tactic from the right wing media. To scare people out of teaching their kids education.

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I don't think that's necessarily a fair descriptor.

Not that I necessarily disagree with your sentiment that it's often used as a scare tactic, but where I'd disagree is on the aspects of what's being taught under the guise of "education".

Presenting it as purely "education" is the same semantics game we see on a lot of issues where one side will appeal to a sensible-sounding vague abstract (that most reasonable people would agree on), and then claiming anyone who opposes any part of their agenda must be in opposition to that abstract concept.

I can provide an example from both sides.

From the Right, their efforts aimed at promoting "Religious Freedom". When you look at the finer points of what they actually want, it's pretty clear that what many actually want is to put traditional conservative Christianity on a pedestal and force everyone else to color in those lines. (or at a more basic level, give themselves a legal way to circumvent anti-discrimination laws).

Would critics of conservative "Religious freedom" bills be "against religious freedom"?


From the left, labelling things like gender affirming approaches for minors and elective abortions as "health care", as a way to be able to claim "conservatives are anti-healthcare" when they predictably oppose it.


So while the original definition of "woke" may have been "being aware and sensitive to cultural and social injustices", in practice, a lot of it has become "weaponized political correctness", and that's what people people are objecting to. At it's core, very few people (even on the conservative side) would oppose teaching a more unvarnished account of history, and wouldn't necessarily object to other people wanting to be hyper-sensitive to things with regards to how they conduct their own behaviors. When it becomes a problem is when activist types say "Well, I'm going to teach it to your kids so that we can make sure when they grow up their on our side and not yours", or when the stance is taken of "you MUST go along with all of these things we want and don't dare go against it, else we'll go digging through your facebook posts from 4 years ago and find a reason to get you fired"


This was something that even Obama pointed out when speaking to young people (and in another speech, referred to it as something that ends in a figurative 'circular firing squad')

Yttrium said:

Now let me get this straight. On the one hand we have the Marxist woke movement out to destabilize world cultures and impose a new order of equality. Then on the other hand we have the Fascist anti-woke movement out to create a ruthless dictatorship that suppresses anyone who isn't a straight white male. Great, just great, here I am in the middle having to oppose both nightmarish forces. As if I didn't have enough to do, with both Biden and Trump trying to destroy the world as we know it.

On the bright side, my plans for global warming are cooking along nicely.

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Larnievc said:

You know that’s an opinion piece, right?

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This whole "Woke=marxist" is just opinion anyway. Nothing empirical about it.

Aldebaran said:

Divisiveness, Exclusion, and Ideology.
That's what's wrong with it.

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and you can find this phrase in a corporate or government agency policy manual or PR statement?

Aldebaran said:

You asked what's wrong with it. Now you know.

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That doesn't seem to be the response. What I see is what looks like a fake version of the acronym. Seems a bit childish, don't you think?

Aldebaran said:

No. It's a more accurate version of what it is, and what it does.

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At least it does match the pattern established by redefining "wokeism" as some sort of "marxism".

Aldebaran said:

Which is, again, an accurate description.

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Only if you don't know what Marxism is.