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[PastorMike]

I think you have a special filter over your eyes that is making you hallucinate that as: "My God My God why have you spiritually separated from me?" but if you take off that filter you will read it for what is really printed on the page.

You know sin separates us spiritually from God... if Jesus didn't pay that price then we are still separated from God... a physical death cannot pay a spiritual price...

 

[~RENEE~]

My God My God why have you forsaken me?

forsake
Main Entry:for·sake Pronunciation: \f&#601;r-&#712;s&#257;k, fo&#775;r-\ Function:transitive verb Inflected Form(s):for·sook \-&#712;su&#775;k\; for·sak·en \-&#712;s&#257;-k&#601;n\; for·sak·ingEtymology:Middle English, from Old English forsacan, from for- + sacan to dispute; akin to Old English sacu action at law &#8212; more at sakeDate:before 12th century : to renounce or turn away from entirely <friends have forsaken her> <forsook the theater for politics>

 

[DevotiontoBible]

You know sin separates us spiritually from God... if Jesus didn't pay that price then we are still separated from God... a physical death cannot pay a spiritual price...

Nothing about your idea here. It was His physical death that did the job. 1 Peter 2:24 (NLT)
He personally carried away our sins in his own body on the cross so we can be dead to sin and live for what is right. You have been healed by his wounds!

 

[~RENEE~]

Is it bashing to recall outlandish statements made in public forums, like TV, magazines, books, etc. by men/women who should have had better sense than to put them out to the public for inspection.

I think not.

~Jim

If the first step in an argument is wrong everything that follows is wrong.
~C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain​

Then let's party because there is a lot of outlandish statements. Made here and guess what there are anti/non WOF that are involved as well.

 

[PastorMike]

Nothing about your idea here. It was His physical death that did the job. 1 Peter 2:24 (NLT)
He personally carried away our sins in his own body on the cross so we can be dead to sin and live for what is right. You have been healed by his wounds!

sin is not physical it is spiritual and requires a spiritual payment otherwise we could die ourselves in our flesh and pay for our own sin...

 

[DevotiontoBible]

sin is not physical it is spiritual and requires a spiritual payment otherwise we could die ourselves in our flesh and pay for our own sin...

Then you are smarter than God who says in 1 Pet 2:24 that Jesus' physical death was enough to pay for our sin.

 

[PastorMike]

Then you are smarter than God who says in 1 Pet 2:24 that Jesus' physical death was enough to pay for our sin.

it doesn't say he paid for them with his body only that he carried them in his body...

 

[DevotiontoBible]

it doesn't say he paid for them with his body only that he carried them in his body...

Since you want the actual word "paid" here it is again, nothing about it being spiritual but His physical blood: 1 Peter 1:19 (NLT)
He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.

 

[millerrod]

Renne can God die?? Of couarse not.
the Trinity says God Christ Holy Spirit are one and the same. 3=1
Christs flesh died because of the curse on man for disobedence and in doing so took on the sins of man.
Christs Spirit could not die has never died and has always been in existance because Christ God and the Holy Spirit are all one and the same.
Again by saying Christs Spirit died you and the others are denying that Christ and God are one and the same and in doing so are denying the Trinity. Please renne stop and think !!
You may get by with the healing and properity things being or not being in error but what you are saying here is SERIOUS and not to be played with.

 

[PastorMike]

Since you want the actual word "paid" here it is again, nothing about it being spiritual but His physical blood: 1 Peter 1:19 (NLT)
He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.

duplicate...

 

[PastorMike]

Since you want the actual word "paid" here it is again, nothing about it being spiritual but His physical blood: 1 Peter 1:19 (NLT)
He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.

No one is disputing that... we know Jesus paid with his blood, but he also died spiritually...

Man was fallen, spirit, soul and body, Jesus died to redeem the whole man, spirit, soul and body...

 

[DevotiontoBible]

No one is disputing that... we know Jesus paid with his blood, but he also died spiritually...

Man was fallen, spirit, soul and body, Jesus died to redeem the whole man, spirit, soul and body...

Scripture only gives us what I have posted for you. Your "Jesus Died Spiritually" idea is fictional. It's existed only in your imagination as a philosophy placed there by some WOF teachers.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

No one is disputing that... we know Jesus paid with his blood, but he also died spiritually...

Man was fallen, spirit, soul and body, Jesus died to redeem the whole man, spirit, soul and body...

Scripture only gives us what I have posted for you. Your "Jesus Died Spiritually" idea is fictional. It's existed only in your imagination placed there by some WOF teachers.

 

[~RENEE~]

Renne can God die?? Of couarse not.
the Trinity says God Christ Holy Spirit are one and the same. 3=1
Christs flesh died because of the curse on man for disobedence and in doing so took on the sins of man.
Christs Spirit could not die has never died and has always been in existance because Christ God and the Holy Spirit are all one and the same.
Again by saying Christs Spirit died you and the others are denying that Christ and God are one and the same and in doing so are denying the Trinity. Please renne stop and think !!
You may get by with the healing and properity things being or not being in error but what you are saying here is SERIOUS and not to be played with.

So then now Jesus didn't die?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Scripture only gives us what I have posted for you. Your &quot;Jesus Died Spiritually&quot; idea is fictional. It's existed only in your imagination placed there by some WOF teachers.

And what teacher placed in your imagination the idea of false tongues?

 

[barklikeadog]

So then now Jesus didn't die?

Jesus flesh died but his Spirit didnt just like you and i will die but our spirit will not. The death thing is death of flesh. The Bible is clear spirits are eternal your spirit will be eternally in hell or eternally in heaven. OUR spirit will never die let alone Christs Spirit which is the same Spirit as God and the Holy Spirit. Even those who end up in hell their spirit will not die they will endure eternal suffering. At least thats what the Bible says.

 

[barklikeadog]

I would think that teachers who teach that Christs Spirit did or could die or could some how seperate from itself completly denying the teachings of the TRinity. would be scared to death of Gods wrath-judgement coming down on them. But i guess when the same people teach God has no wrath upon anyone its easy not to respect or be concerned with being in error or leading others into error.

 

[psalms 91]

Seems like some basic facts and theology are being left out. Was Jesus a man or God when He walked the earth? Was it a man or a God that hung on the cross to resdeem us, body, soul, and spirit? If it was a God then He did nothing because satan could cry foul. He was as human as you and me and did not take back His Godhood till after He ascended to the Father and delivered the sacrifice.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Jesus flesh died but his Spirit didnt just like you and i will die but our spirit will not. The death thing is death of flesh. The Bible is clear spirits are eternal your spirit will be eternally in hell or eternally in heaven. OUR spirit will never die let alone Christs Spirit which is the same Spirit as God and the Holy Spirit. Even those who end up in hell their spirit will not die they will endure eternal suffering. At least thats what the Bible says.

Spiritual death is not the cessation of existence, but as described a number of times - spiritual death means separation from God -

The clearer way of asking it - was Jesus spiritually separated from the Father?

Jesus' cry on the cross expressed that separation.

Paul wrote to the church at Colossi

Col 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.


How can Jesus be the first born of thew dead if He did not die.



Read the first chapter of Colossians


Col 1:9 For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11 strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy; 12 giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.


Paul is not describing a physical event - but a spiritual one.

 

[barklikeadog]

Really! and why then did he revert to the impersonal... My God, My God why hast thou forsaken me...

Because His suffering was great. Christ knew what he had to do that his FLESH had to die. It would seem from His statment even though he was prepared the pain was even greater than he thought it would be and after great pain and unemaginable suffering he was just wanting to die and get it over with complete what His Father gave Him to do. It was a plead to His Father to get this over with. It was a witness to just how great the pain he endured was. Its sad people have to take his suffering and great pain and use it against Him to disprove and twist people into thinking that His Spirit is not equal to God and the Holy Spirit. It makes me want to puke:o