Wof ??

[millerrod]

In wof statment of beliefs its says in #10
We believe Jesus [ died Spiritually ] When the Spirit of God abandoned him.
#8 says Christ was seperated from God
How can you believe in the Trinity if you believe Christ can be seperated from God ??
How do you believe you can kill a part of God or that a part of that which is God could die ??
And if the Trinity is not believed or taught how can this doctrine exist and teach on CF which states one must believe in the Trinity to exist here. Does it not fall into the same type teaching as LDS or JW.

 

[Christina M]

In wof statment of beliefs its says in #10
We believe Jesus [ died Spiritually ] When the Spirit of God abandoned him.
#8 says Christ was seperated from God
How can you believe in the Trinity if you believe Christ can be seperated from God ??
How do you believe you can kill a part of God or that a part of that which is God could die ??
And if the Trinity is not believed or taught how can this doctrine exist and teach on CF which states one must believe in the Trinity to exist here. Does it not fall into the same type teaching as LDS or JW.

And how can you not be excited, grateful and in awe that He paid the full price for you so you don't have to????

If our wages of sin is hell, and He paid the price, why wouldn't He have paid the whole cost?

It takes a lot of work to twist it around otherwise.

 

[PastorMike]

In wof statment of beliefs its says in #10
We believe Jesus [ died Spiritually ] When the Spirit of God abandoned him.
#8 says Christ was seperated from God
How can you believe in the Trinity if you believe Christ can be seperated from God ??
How do you believe you can kill a part of God or that a part of that which is God could die ??
And if the Trinity is not believed or taught how can this doctrine exist and teach on CF which states one must believe in the Trinity to exist here. Does it not fall into the same type teaching as LDS or JW.

That's because you don't understand what death means, death means to separate, death does not mean cease to exist, Jesus was separated from the Father, spiritual death...

 

[Meshavrischika]

That's because you don't understand what death means, death means to separate, death does not mean cease to exist, Jesus was separated from the Father, spiritual death...

can you provide a more concrete example or explanation?

 

[Meshavrischika]

That's because you don't understand what death means, death means to separate, death does not mean cease to exist, Jesus was separated from the Father, spiritual death...

can you provide a more concrete example or explanation?

 

[Always in His Presence]

In wof statment of beliefs its says in #10
We believe Jesus [ died Spiritually ] When the Spirit of God abandoned him.
#8 says Christ was seperated from God
How can you believe in the Trinity if you believe Christ can be seperated from God ??
How do you believe you can kill a part of God or that a part of that which is God could die ??
And if the Trinity is not believed or taught how can this doctrine exist and teach on CF which states one must believe in the Trinity to exist here. Does it not fall into the same type teaching as LDS or JW.

So,.................um, how do I say this right.

You do not believe Jesus died?

Why did Jesus cry out

34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?

The word forsaken in the Greek means totally abandon.

Why do you think being totally abandoned means he was not separated?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

So,.................um, how do I say this right.

You do not believe Jesus died?

Why did Jesus cry out

34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?

The word forsaken in the Greek means totally abandon.

Why do you think being totally abandoned means he was not separated?

The context shows He was totally abandoned to the crowd to be crucified. There is nothing in the whole context of the Bible He was abandoned spiritually.

 

[Meshavrischika]

The context shows He was totally abandoned to the crowd to be crucified. There is nothing in the whole context of the Bible He was abandoned spiritually.

huh? what you said is pretty pleading with that verse isn't it? maybe using something else from context to back up your point would be more effective. (not saying that you're not right, just that your post doesn't even come close to showing it)

 

[Meshavrischika]

The context shows He was totally abandoned to the crowd to be crucified. There is nothing in the whole context of the Bible He was abandoned spiritually.

huh? what you said is pretty pleading with that verse isn't it? maybe using something else from context to back up your point would be more effective. (not saying that you're not right, just that your post doesn't even come close to showing it)

 

[Always in His Presence]

The context shows He was totally abandoned to the crowd to be crucified. There is nothing in the whole context of the Bible He was abandoned spiritually.

You are incorrect.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

That's because you don't understand what death means, death means to separate, death does not mean cease to exist, Jesus was separated from the Father, spiritual death...

Death here means His life separated from His physical body. That is all the Bible ever talks about. Jesus was never separated spiritually from the Father and this proves it: Luke 23:46 (NLT)
Then Jesus shouted, "Father, I entrust my spirit into your hands!" And with those words he breathed his last.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

huh? what you said is pretty pleading with that verse isn't it? maybe using something else from context to back up your point would be more effective. (not saying that you're not right, just that your post doesn't even come close to showing it)

Read Ps 22, then read the passion in the Gospels. it is all about physical torture of crucifixion, nothing about spiritual separation from God.

 

[millerrod]

So you just seperate a part of something that is ONE you just slice off a part of the meaning of the Trinity and them stick it back togeter. You can word play all you want be it death or seperate you are still saying you can take apart ONE God, that a part of the Trinity can just be removed seperated. Not true and quite frankly i dont believe you have the slightest understanding of what the Trinity means and in your lack of understanding the Trinity you are denying the Trinity by teaching it can be seperated. Christs flesh died to fulfill the curse of death upon all flesh. Christ Spirit did not die nor seperate for it is a part of God which cannot be seperated nor die.

 

[Meshavrischika]

Read Ps 22, then read the passion in the Gospels. it is all about physical torture of crucifixion, nothing about spiritual separation from God.

but what supports your supposition that it didn't occur. that scripture is pretty clear in what it says, normally you have to prove something is opposite from the way someone is taking it with a direct reference in scripture, not a lack there of. KWIM? (really, I'm not sure either way, but to make your point you might look for something indicating other than what is being - to some - clearly stated in this verse)

 

[Meshavrischika]

Read Ps 22, then read the passion in the Gospels. it is all about physical torture of crucifixion, nothing about spiritual separation from God.

but what supports your supposition that it didn't occur. that scripture is pretty clear in what it says, normally you have to prove something is opposite from the way someone is taking it with a direct reference in scripture, not a lack there of. KWIM? (really, I'm not sure either way, but to make your point you might look for something indicating other than what is being - to some - clearly stated in this verse)

 

[Meshavrischika]

So you just seperate a part of something that is ONE you just slice off a part of the meaning of the Trinity and them stick it back togeter. You can word play all you want be it death or seperate you are still saying you can take apart ONE God, that a part of the Trinity can just be removed seperated. Not true and quite frankly i dont believe you have the slightest understanding of what the Trinity means and in your lack of understanding the Trinity you are denying the Trinity by teaching it can be seperated. Christs flesh died to fulfill the curse of death upon all flesh. Christ Spirit did not die nor seperate for it is a part of God which cannot be seperated nor die.

but you're stating doctrine without scripture (in you post, not saying there is none anywhere) to back it up. where is the spiritual vs. flesh death reference to clear this up?

 

[Meshavrischika]

So you just seperate a part of something that is ONE you just slice off a part of the meaning of the Trinity and them stick it back togeter. You can word play all you want be it death or seperate you are still saying you can take apart ONE God, that a part of the Trinity can just be removed seperated. Not true and quite frankly i dont believe you have the slightest understanding of what the Trinity means and in your lack of understanding the Trinity you are denying the Trinity by teaching it can be seperated. Christs flesh died to fulfill the curse of death upon all flesh. Christ Spirit did not die nor seperate for it is a part of God which cannot be seperated nor die.

but you're stating doctrine without scripture (in you post, not saying there is none anywhere) to back it up. where is the spiritual vs. flesh death reference to clear this up?

 

[importunity]

The context shows He was totally abandoned to the crowd to be crucified. There is nothing in the whole context of the Bible He was abandoned spiritually.

That is not what is being said:

The quote is My God my God why have YOU forsaken (abandoned) me.

Not why has the crowed abandoned me.

This is another miss quote, so not only are you miss quoting faith teachers, but you are also adding things to what Jesus apparently said.

Give me a break, its one thing to twist Hagins words, but another thing to twist the Word of God.

This to me is crazy.

 

[jeolmstead]

The context shows He was totally abandoned to the crowd to be crucified. There is nothing in the whole context of the Bible He was abandoned spiritually.

I believe Jesus was talking to God when he said “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me”

I can’t see how this proves Jesus died spiritually, but, in any event He is alive and seated at the right hand of the Father now

A point on which I hope we all can agree



John O.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

but what supports your supposition that it didn't occur. that scripture is pretty clear in what it says, normally you have to prove something is opposite from the way someone is taking it with a direct reference in scripture, not a lack there of. KWIM? (really, I'm not sure either way, but to make your point you might look for something indicating other than what is being - to some - clearly stated in this verse)

You are bringing in an argument from silence. That is like saying, because it also didn't say little green men from Mars sat on the cross with Jesus doesn't mean it didn't happen. But not only is the "Jesus Dies Spiritually" an argument from silence, Scripture directly refutes such a gross idea. God is Holy and never became sinful.