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Since I have been a participant on these forums, on and off, and only recently started posting again, I was surprised to see an even bigger difference of opinion between these two sub forums than what I was used to.

One thread in the spirit filled section, by a regular poster, said that we should not expect answers to prayer implying that was tantamount to triumphalism. It has made me wonder what the difference is between the spirit and non-spirit filled communinities on here.

WOF, on the hand, whilst is more in line with my own beliefs, seems to be given to "Christian celebretism" more than what I am comfortable with. I would have thought that a statement is credible if the Lord Jesus said it irrespective of its ratification by our favourite TV evangelist.

Are there any normal bible believing Christians, on these forums, these days?
 

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There's been a lot of circling around our heroes here lately because there's been ridiculous debate about some of our beliefs. Since there is no actual Word Of Faith denomination, we tend to quote our favorite minister to validate (or attempt to) our positions.

I'll say this though, the Spirit Filled forum, while full of some nice and sincere people, is also a free-for-all doctrinally. They won't even agree to what "spirit filled" even means. Most there don't speak with tongues. Many various doctrinal positions are espoused there and Word of Faith is despised.
Until recently, bashing other beliefs, and tearing down ministers was a favorite sport. They've tightened it up considerably, but it's still hard to get a really positive thread going over there, in my opinion.
 
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There's been a lot of circling around our heroes here lately because there's been ridiculous debate about some of our beliefs. Since there is no actual Word Of Faith denomination, we tend to quote our favorite minister to validate (or attempt to) our positions.

Curious as to what is meant by "ridiculous debate"?

Are you concerned about the "yes, I am", "no, you're not", "yes, I am" tit-for-tat with no substance? Or subject matter itself? Or something else?
 
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Since I have been a participant on these forums, on and off, and only recently started posting again, I was surprised to see an even bigger difference of opinion between these two sub forums than what I was used to.

One thread in the spirit filled section, by a regular poster, said that we should not expect answers to prayer implying that was tantamount to triumphalism. It has made me wonder what the difference is between the spirit and non-spirit filled communinities on here.

WOF, on the hand, whilst is more in line with my own beliefs, seems to be given to "Christian celebretism" more than what I am comfortable with. I would have thought that a statement is credible if the Lord Jesus said it irrespective of its ratification by our favourite TV evangelist.

Are there any normal bible believing Christians, on these forums, these days?

Splat, good post. These forums can be saddening whether it is WoF or the "spirit-led" one.

VW: as if WoF is not Spirit-led?? :confused:

Splat: Don't you know our founding fathers can't be wrong?? :sorry:
...even when they disagree with each other. :doh:
 
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Since I have been a participant on these forums, on and off, and only recently started posting again, I was surprised to see an even bigger difference of opinion between these two sub forums than what I was used to.

One thread in the spirit filled section, by a regular poster, said that we should not expect answers to prayer implying that was tantamount to triumphalism. It has made me wonder what the difference is between the spirit and non-spirit filled communinities on here.

WOF, on the hand, whilst is more in line with my own beliefs, seems to be given to "Christian celebretism" more than what I am comfortable with. I would have thought that a statement is credible if the Lord Jesus said it irrespective of its ratification by our favourite TV evangelist.

Are there any normal bible believing Christians, on these forums, these days?

Good question,but I will answer with a question.

Has there ever been a time after Christ that was free from dissension among the Body ?

It seems to me we are more concerned about our doctrine than our commission.

In Christianity today many un Godly principles are taught,as well as Mysticism,Panthism,Humanism,Theism,Calivinism,insane fundamentals who hate just about everything.

It all comes from a distortion of God's word along with pride and flesh.

Don't be disgruntled just preach the Word in season and out of season,the lost are still in need of salvation.
 
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I am shocked (though I shouldn't be) at the amount of unbelief that runs wild through these so-called Spirit-filled forums. It keeps me (and my wife) away for most of the time.

I've never been able to understand why reading the Word and believing it brings so much division (and hate and mockery).
 
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Good question,but I will answer with a question.

Has there ever been a time after Christ that was free from dissension among the Body ?

It seems to me we are more concerned about our doctrine than our commission.

In Christianity today many un Godly principles are taught,as well as Mysticism,Panthism,Humanism,Theism,Calivinism,insane fundamentals who hate just about everything.

It all comes from a distortion of God's word along with pride and flesh.

Don't be disgruntled just preach the Word in season and out of season,the lost are still in need of salvation.

There is probably quite a bit of wisdom in that. The most blind seem to be those who refuse to see. It would be much better if we can come together to encouage one another to trust God and see the blessings thereof.
 
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Curious as to what is meant by "ridiculous debate"?

Are you concerned about the "yes, I am", "no, you're not", "yes, I am" tit-for-tat with no substance? Or subject matter itself? Or something else?

I think that hits the nail on the head. Its like the argument is usually "You must be a bit thick if you can't see that I'm right even though I have profferred no real case for what I'm saying" kind of statements which seem to abound. Maybe not quite as blatant as that but in essence. Doesn't even qualify as a debate in my opinion.
 
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VW: as if WoF is not Spirit-led?? :confused:

Splat: Don't you know our founding fathers can't be wrong?? :sorry:
...even when they disagree with each other. :doh:

Notice that I put "Spirit-led" in quotations in my post. :)

The founding fathers can be wrong but usually when we call ourselves WoF it is due to the fact that we are grounded in certain foundational truths. If we are teaching certain doctrines that would be inconsistent with those foundational truths, and we say that we are basing them upon Scripture, then it does behoove us to go to the founding fathers to see what they believed on the subject and how they understood the Scriptures related to the subject.

It is not that Hagin, Sumrall, Capps, Copeland et. al. are infallible. Not in the least since even I don't adhere to every single nuance of their teachings. But some things are simply foundational to the WoF. Can you imagine someone saying that they are WoF but disagree with the teaching of "positive confession"? If they disagree with that then I begin to wonder why they even want to wear the WoF label.

That is the way that I am about certain other doctrines espoused on this forum which I don't want to mention here because it will detract from the purpose of THIS thread.
 
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There's been a lot of circling around our heroes here lately because there's been ridiculous debate about some of our beliefs. Since there is no actual Word Of Faith denomination, we tend to quote our favorite minister to validate (or attempt to) our positions.

Yep. And I even got caught up in that. But I am pretty much done with it.

:thumbsup:

Yesterday I spent a lot of time reading debates that were on this forum that we had more than ten years ago (so glad that they still have most of these archived). Most of the debates were BEFORE we had this WoF subforum. I was amazed at the strong unity that was among the WoF here when we all had to stand together in defense of our beliefs.

The disunity among WoFers started not too soon after this subforum came into being. I read some posts where I saw that I was sceptical of having a seperate WoF forum for a couple f reasons. I didn't predict the disunity that we now have among the WoF but I did somewhat predict that it would become a "my favorite teacher" or "my pet doctrine" kumbaya session.

We come to these forums for different reasons. Some for discussion and debate and some just for fellowship. The "my favorite teacher" or "my pet doctrine" kumbaya sessions are for those who simply want fellowship. NOthing wrong with that except if it leads to believing what "my favoite teacher" says over and above what the Bible itself says. Hence, that has been the issue that I have had with much of them.
 
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Splat: Don't you know our founding fathers can't be wrong?? :sorry:
...even when they disagree with each other. :doh:

Couldn't have said it better...

Now that we can "finally" realize that... well! (most of us)... we can move on and continue teaching and share what God has for us when time as we know it is wrapping up. Many of the disagreements we've had recently have been centered around some of our less than perfect "founding fathers." and company... who are fallible (capable of making mistakes or being erroneous in some areas.)

We may improve (in some of these areas) on what our founding fathers of (WoF) have taught us by... hearing/receiving what God is revealing to us today. We do that by continually renewing our minds keeping focused on His Word.

Blessings...
 
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Yep. And I even got caught up in that. But I am pretty much done with it.

:thumbsup:

Yesterday I spent a lot of time reading debates that were on this forum that we had more than ten years ago (so glad that they still have most of these archived). Most of the debates were BEFORE we had this WoF subforum. I was amazed at the strong unity that was among the WoF here when we all had to stand together in defense of our beliefs.

The disunity among WoFers started not too soon after this subforum came into being. I read some posts where I saw that I was sceptical of having a separate WoF forum for a couple f reasons. I didn't predict the disunity that we now have among the WoF but I did somewhat predict that it would become a "my favorite teacher" or "my pet doctrine" kumbaya session.

We come to these forums for different reasons. Some for discussion and debate and some just for fellowship. The "my favorite teacher" or "my pet doctrine" kumbaya sessions are for those who simply want fellowship. Nothing wrong with that except if it leads to believing what "my favorite teacher" says over and above what the Bible itself says. Hence, that has been the issue that I have had with much of them.

The difference is that Satan knows he has little time so he is devouring whom he may. Many over the years (Carm) have said... and are still saying that Word of Faith is dead. We hear it even more so today. I'm sure you've heard this also.
1 Peter 5:8
Be alert, be be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.
We haven't been "alert and to be watchful." as we should have. It's time to take authority and stop this now. We will never have unity with OUR interpretation of the Word. That's not where the unity begins. It begins with EACH of us being obedient to the first and great commandment of Love. For If we TRULY walk in Love... we won't be seeing the pride, the arrogance, the know-it-all... I can prove it attitude. The rudeness, the accusing of the brothers. Trying to out-do one another. I am right, you are wrong... We come in here "armed and loaded" (debate ready)... and just baiting and ready to do battle with one another who does not agree with "MY" knowledge of the Word.

I will say it again... Word of Faith is just a label (not to be worshiped) or boasting about. What do we do? We (labor) in our studies to prove we are right... that has resulted in periodic (slams and flaming)... instead we should be putting "every effort" in (laboring) to enter into His Rest (Hebrews 4:11).

Yes, we are to meditate and study the Word as in...
2 Tim 2:15
Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

But, we need to do it with the right motives to exhort one another. If I remember correctly... We have had 3 or 4 threads that were shut down in less than two months. We need to re-read them and see where the areas are that we went wrong. I already did... there are several areas where Satan devoured us. Do we want the (mods) constantly watching us? "Mod Hat On... This thread is under review." Recently, we have been a poor witness in representing Jesus Christ to... win the lost and equip the saints. We are being watched and we tend to forget that.

We are a mixture of pastors, teachers, loafers (me) :D and others using this forum as a platform to minister and exhort one another in the goodness of God through His word. Our congregation is not only (us) ourselves... but behind the scenes are the seekers of truth, the hurting, the lonely, the poor in heart, the ones feeling unwanted, feeling unloved, even agnostics, atheists. Guess WHO else is back there behind the curtain scenes laughing at our foolishness. Recognize this guy? You guessed it. The devil himself...
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(the devourer)

hmm... Is this a "trip to the woodshed?" I have already had my whipping (repented). I was first in line... and the door remains open! Who's next?

Peace... (since the trip to the woodshed)




 
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Notice that I put "Spirit-led" in quotations in my post. :)

The founding fathers can be wrong but usually when we call ourselves WoF it is due to the fact that we are grounded in certain foundational truths. If we are teaching certain doctrines that would be inconsistent with those foundational truths, and we say that we are basing them upon Scripture, then it does behoove us to go to the founding fathers to see what they believed on the subject and how they understood the Scriptures related to the subject.

It is not that Hagin, Sumrall, Capps, Copeland et. al. are infallible. Not in the least since even I don't adhere to every single nuance of their teachings. But some things are simply foundational to the WoF. Can you imagine someone saying that they are WoF but disagree with the teaching of "positive confession"? If they disagree with that then I begin to wonder why they even want to wear the WoF label.

That is the way that I am about certain other doctrines espoused on this forum which I don't want to mention here because it will detract from the purpose of THIS thread.
I agree 100% with this post. :wave:

The bolded part would be the only reason to check out what the founding fathers teach.
 
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