WoF and the Focus on Miracles

[victoryword]

Thanks TruthFrees. I used to post regularly but work and ministry duties limited my time. But I have kind of missed having more interactive discussion.

 

[franky67]

I suspect each day during the three years Jesus ministered, that miracles were abundant, according to the four gospels.

We should strive to be like Jesus.

 

[dkbwarrior]

I suspect each day during the three years Jesus ministered, that miracles were abundant, according to the four gospels.

We should strive to be like Jesus.

This is good Franky. As I recently posted in another thread, in some ways mainstream WOF seems to forget that we have roots in the charismatic movement as much as in the doctrinal revelations of E.W.Kenyon. In fact, WOF is a melding of the two movements, IMHO. Or, to put it another way, the charis brought some life to the revelation, and the revelation brought some order to the charis. If you meditate on that it is not hard to see why. It is simply the Word and the Spirit working together, which is how God has ordained it.

Peace...

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

This is good Franky. As I recently posted in another thread, in some ways mainstream WOF seems to forget that we have roots in the charismatic movement as much as in the doctrinal revelations of E.W.Kenyon. In fact, WOF is a melding of the two movements, IMHO. Or, to put it another way, the charis brought some life to the revelation, and the revelation brought some order to the charis. If you meditate on that it is not hard to see why. It is simply the Word and the Spirit working together, which is how God has ordained it.

Peace...

You know dkb, I agree with other people like Harry, now faith and even Truthfrees. Your posts are awesome!

Perhaps you can do a thread on the history of Word/Faith so we can see the richness of heritage that we have and the diversity of teaching.

 

[dkbwarrior]

You know dkb, I agree with other people like Harry, now faith and even Truthfrees. Your posts are awesome!

Perhaps you can do a thread on the history of Word/Faith so we can see the richness of heritage that we have and the diversity of teaching.

Thank you brother. I mention this because like you, I am a very Word oriented person. I live and breathe the Word. Its why I love getting into the nitty gritty of word meanings and interpretive alternatives and discussions with people like you who love the same thing. BUT- I have to be careful to constantly remind myself that God isn't always quantifiable in theological musings. We always have to respect the anointing and rely on the Spirit. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense... and that bugs the heck outta my flesh, (just being honest). For me its an effort to let go when I don't KNOW. I want to KNOW!!! So oftentimes I simply have to MAKE myself let go and trust the anointing. Sometimes even when I KNOW the teaching is "off" a little bit.

I don't know if I am making any sense. Let me try an example. I have only fallen under the power once. It was at a renewal meeting by an itenerant evangelist, only about 50 people in attendance. He was a Rhema grad, and an older man, and a 'horrible' teacher. It was all I could do not to interrupt him every other statement because his teaching just didn't make any sense to me, (I was amazed that he could have graduated from Rhema). But when I went up to help catch people that were falling under the power, I got within about 5 feet of him and got physically picked up off my feet by an unseen force and threw back about 8 feet onto my back. I mean, what do you say to that? I dont understand that. I cant quantify that. But I know it was God. There are things that I cant explain doctrinally... not really. I mean, I can give you a doctrinal argument for that, but inside me, it still doesn't make sense. Why God?

Peace...

 

[hhodgson]

Dkb to ABM...

Thank you brother. I mention this because like you, I am a very Word oriented person. I live and breathe the Word. Its why I love getting into the nitty gritty of word meanings and interpretive alternatives and discussions with people like you who love the same thing. BUT- I have to be careful to constantly remind myself that God isn't always quantifiable in theological musings. We always have to respect the anointing and rely on the Spirit. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense... and that bugs the heck outta my flesh, (just being honest). For me its an effort to let go when I don't KNOW. I want to KNOW!!! So oftentimes I simply have to MAKE myself let go and trust the anointing. Sometimes even when I KNOW the teaching is "off" a little bit.

I don't know if I am making any sense. Let me try an example. I have only fallen under the power once. It was at a renewal meeting by an older man, only about 50 people in attendance. He was a Rhema grad, and an older man, and a 'horrible' teacher. It was all I could do not to interrupt him every other statement because his teaching just didn't make any sense to me, (I was amazed that he could have graduated from Rhema). But when I went up to help catch people that were falling under the power, I got within about 5 feet of him and got physically picked up off my feet by an unseen force and threw back about 8 feet onto my back. I mean, what do you say to that? I dont understand that. I cant quantify that. But I know it was God. There are things that I cant explain doctrinally... not really. I mean, I can give you a doctrinal argument for that, but inside me, it still doesn't make sense. Why God?

Peace...

Here's mine dkb... back in the late 70s I had a distant cousin that held a home meeting in which as we were praying. He touched me and I fell flat backwards. No pushing, no catcher. I found out later that as I went down, my head hit the flat sitting part of a chair as I was going down. I did not know it. Got up with no pain or discomfort. Another pastor checked the back of my head for an injury or a bump... nothing.

Another time at the same meeting place which just concluded and we were leaving. We stopped awhile on the sidewalk and shared more about the Lord when one of the pastors spoke in tongues and touched me and I was laid out flat on the "sidewalk" head and all. Again, got up and had no bruises or pain from hitting the walk.

My cousin since passed on but he was the most anointed minister in my town. He traveled with a prophet type minister friend by the name of Robert Thom who had a popular selling book called "A New Wine is Better." I never got to meet Thom but my cousin operated in the same anointing. I purchased his book back then but only God knows where it is now so I plan on going on Amazon and order another one.

Your testimony of your experience spawned my experience memory.

Isn't God great?


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[ABlessedAnomaly]

Ok you guys. As long as it's testimony time.

In my last church we had a woman in her seventies. She was a prayer warrior for sure. She once laid hands on me and I went down. Another time she pointed my wife out and called her up, laid hands on her (just a little push) and my wife didn't remember going down, but down she went. Time and time again the anointing was on her.

Long after we left that church (in fact this past October 5) we heard that she was praying for people up at the altar. The anointing was strong on her and she went down in the spirit. They put the 'modesty towel' over her. Ten minutes later her husband, praying for others went to help her up.

He found that she had gone to be with the Lord. She died doing exactly what she loved doing... praying for others.

 

[Truthfrees]

Phil Halverson (Phil and Fern Halverson friends of Rachel Teafatiller and Billye Brim) and Polly Wigglesworth had the same kind of home-going.

 

[tturt]

That's an awesome way to go.

Paul wrote " And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." I Cor. 2

Some are criticized for talking about signs and wonders when not talking about what Yahweh has done results in "a stubborn and rebellious generation" (Psa 78) and changed the direction of nations (Exo 1:8 - ) - these are only two examples.

Some are said to be chasing after signs and wonders, when most of the time, they're drawn to Him and they want to see Him/His power/His glory. Proximity can matter because Peter's shadow healed (Acts 5) and Paul's handkerchiefs or aprons healed (Acts 19). Of course, it was Yahweh. Even the nations around Israel saw the presence and glory of Yahweh.

Matt 10 "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give."

We praise and worship Yahweh - getting our focus off ourselves and looking to Him

As far as just 37 miracles by Yeshua:
"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:" John 20;30

"This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." John 21:24-25

 

[Basha21]

Happy New Year everyone! I just wanted to mention that it seems like Kenneth Copeland has been talking more about miracles recently. Jeremy Pearsons and Keith Moore spoke about it a few months ago on the daily Believer's Voice of Victory broadcast, which you can watch at kcm.org or on Roku.

Also, Keith Moore has a really good series called Miracles Now. flcbranson.org is his website. All of his materials are free to download and you can subscribe and watch them on iTunes too.

You probably all know he worked very closely with Kenneth E Hagin for around 20 years and was involved in several areas of ministry at Rhema before he went to Kenneth Copeland Ministries. You've probably heard him preach at the Southwest Believer's conventions. I've been listening to him for over 20 years. I don't have a car right now, so Faith Life Church is my home church--online--for now. Very solid teaching.

 

[hhodgson]

Happy New Year everyone! I just wanted to mention that it seems like Kenneth Copeland has been talking more about miracles recently. Jeremy Pearsons and Keith Moore spoke about it a few months ago on the daily Believer's Voice of Victory broadcast, which you can watch at kcm.org or on Roku.

Also, Keith Moore has a really good series called Miracles Now. flcbranson.org is his website. All of his materials are free to download and you can subscribe and watch them on iTunes too.

You probably all know he worked very closely with Kenneth E Hagin for around 20 years and was involved in several areas of ministry at Rhema before he went to Kenneth Copeland Ministries. You've probably heard him preach at the Southwest Believer's conventions. I've been listening to him for over 20 years. I don't have a car right now, so Faith Life Church is my home church--online--for now. Very solid teaching.

Happy New Year to you also Basha21...

Very good choice in Keith Moore. Whenever we go to Branson, Mo... We make it one of our "must go to" things to attend while were there. We watch his ministry on Daystar.

I pray that God will supply ALL your need. Let's start with the car, Ok?

You are BLESSED (Deut. 28:1-14)...

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[Basha21]

I'm so glad to hear that you visit Faith Life Church when you're in the area. He just started a new series on how to be led by the Spirit of God last night, so that promises to be very good.

Yes, believing for a new car--thank you Harry!

Marcia

Happy New Year to you also Basha21...

Very good choice in Keith Moore. Whenever we go to Branson, Mo... We make it one of our "must go to" things to attend while were there. We watch his ministry on Daystar.

I pray that God will supply ALL your need. Let's start with the car, Ok?

You are BLESSED (Deut. 28:1-14)...

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[Truthfrees]

That's an awesome way to go.

Paul wrote " And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." I Cor. 2

Some are criticized for talking about signs and wonders when not talking about what Yahweh has done results in "a stubborn and rebellious generation" (Psa 78) and changed the direction of nations (Exo 1:8 - ) - these are only two examples.

Some are said to be chasing after signs and wonders, when most of the time, they're drawn to Him and they want to see Him/His power/His glory. Proximity can matter because Peter's shadow healed (Acts 5) and Paul's handkerchiefs or aprons healed (Acts 19). Of course, it was Yahweh. Even the nations around Israel saw the presence and glory of Yahweh.

Matt 10 "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give."

We praise and worship Yahweh - getting our focus off ourselves and looking to Him

As far as just 37 miracles by Yeshua:
"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:" John 20;30

"This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." John 21:24-25

Yes. The Spirit-led life is filled with adventure, and Yeshua is our example of living a supernatural life.

"Whoever says that he ·lives [abides; remains] in God must ·live [ walk] as ·Jesus lived [ he walked]." - 1 John 2:6 EXB

 

[olderguy]

I want to ask you WoF folks a question. I first heard of K. Hagin in 1990. I was then able to go to go see and hear him preach 5 times over the next 6 years. I was really into his teachings. Every time I went to hear him something so out of the ordinary happened that the only explanation is the Holy Spirit. I'm just trying to tell you all that I believed most of everything he used to say. I also read most of his books and booklets. But this is something I don't recall him taking about.

If we're trying to operate in the Spirit, do you think our sins will prevent us from seeing results? I do. At one time I used to see some results, at least on small things. But now, for a long time, something is wrong. Based on everything I read from K. Hagin, I think he lived one of the most sin free lives I ever heard of. I'm not saying he never committed a sin, I'd guess he did occasionally. But I think that compared to the average person Hagin had much less. It seems to only be common sense, that if we want to see God do signs and wonders in our lives, that we have to strive to be as sin free as possible. Especially with a sin we aren't even trying to give up. Not as hard as we can, anyway.

What do you WoF people think about this?

 

[Basha21]

Hi olderguy,

That's great that you got to hear Brother Hagin preach! I agree with the things you've said about him. I really trusted him and his ministry.

Yes, I believe sin can keep us from seeing results. God is merciful and I think He cuts us a lot of slack, but our sins really can block us from receiving from God, not just miracles.

If you're not hearing from God, pray about it. Go back to where God last spoke to your heart and see where you might have missed it. Make the adjustment, maybe just a little something on the inside of you and start moving forward with God again.

God doesn't go away, but our sins put distance between us. Like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They sinned and became aware of the fact that they were naked--they were ashamed and hid from God. It's the same way with us. It separates us from God in some ways.

As we mature in our walk with the Lord, He expects more from us. I remember getting rid of the "big" sins in my life when I first got saved and thought I had it made! lol Then He dealt with me about something else, then something else. And so it continues to this day many years later! So what may not be a sin for someone else, may be something God is dealing with me about changing in my life, in my heart. In order to continue to grow and enjoy fellowship with Him, I have to make those corrections, hopefully much more quickly than I did when I was a baby Christian.

God knows we aren't perfect and His Grace covers a lot in our lives, but if you're listening to the Holy Spirit, He will show you what is "off" in your life and you'll start seeing Him move in your life again.

He loves us and wants all good things for us. This is just part of our growth in Him. I recently got out his book How You Can Be Led By The Spirit Of God. It really helped me when I started out and we can always use refreshers. Gloria Copeland's Walk in the Spirit was also a huge help to me 30 years ago. No matter how many times we hear and read these things, God can always show us more things in His Word. It's like a multi-faceted diamond. You turn it this way and He shows you something and you turn it that way and He shows you even more from the very same scripture.

God isn't punishing us. Our sins harden our hearts, so we always have to purpose to listen and grow in Him.

I want to ask you WoF folks a question. I first heard of K. Hagin in 1990. I was then able to go to go see and hear him preach 5 times over the next 6 years. I was really into his teachings. Every time I went to hear him something so out of the ordinary happened that the only explanation is the Holy Spirit. I'm just trying to tell you all that I believed most of everything he used to say. I also read most of his books and booklets. But this is something I don't recall him taking about.

If we're trying to operate in the Spirit, do you think our sins will prevent us from seeing results? I do. At one time I used to see some results, at least on small things. But now, for a long time, something is wrong. Based on everything I read from K. Hagin, I think he lived one of the most sin free lives I ever heard of. I'm not saying he never committed a sin, I'd guess he did occasionally. But I think that compared to the average person Hagin had much less. It seems to only be common sense, that if we want to see God do signs and wonders in our lives, that we have to strive to be as sin free as possible. Especially with a sin we aren't even trying to give up. Not as hard as we can, anyway.

What do you WoF people think about this?

 

[olderguy]

Hi olderguy,

That's great that you got to hear Brother Hagin preach! I agree with the things you've said about him. I really trusted him and his ministry.

Yes, I believe sin can keep us from seeing results. God is merciful and I think He cuts us a lot of slack, but our sins really can block us from receiving from God, not just miracles.

If you're not hearing from God, pray about it. Go back to where God last spoke to your heart and see where you might have missed it. Make the adjustment, maybe just a little something on the inside of you and start moving forward with God again.

God doesn't go away, but our sins put distance between us. Like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They sinned and became aware of the fact that they were naked--they were ashamed and hid from God. It's the same way with us. It separates us from God in some ways.

As we mature in our walk with the Lord, He expects more from us. I remember getting rid of the "big" sins in my life when I first got saved and thought I had it made! lol Then He dealt with me about something else, then something else. And so it continues to this day many years later! So what may not be a sin for someone else, may be something God is dealing with me about changing in my life, in my heart. In order to continue to grow and enjoy fellowship with Him, I have to make those corrections, hopefully much more quickly than I did when I was a baby Christian.

God knows we aren't perfect and His Grace covers a lot in our lives, but if you're listening to the Holy Spirit, He will show you what is "off" in your life and you'll start seeing Him move in your life again.

He loves us and wants all good things for us. This is just part of our growth in Him. I recently got out his book How You Can Be Led By The Spirit Of God. It really helped me when I started out and we can always use refreshers. Gloria Copeland's Walk in the Spirit was also a huge help to me 30 years ago. No matter how many times we hear and read these things, God can always show us more things in His Word. It's like a multi-faceted diamond. You turn it this way and He shows you something and you turn it that way and He shows you even more from the very same scripture.

God isn't punishing us. Our sins harden our hearts, so we always have to purpose to listen and grow in Him.

Hi Basha,

I'm actually glad that you agreed with me. Typical Christians say sins don't mean anything to God. They think we can sin all we want and it effects nothing. I never did agree with them on this, not even as a baby Christian. I was Born Again in 1981 or so. All through the 80's I went to various churches that were bad. So then in-between reading the scriptures I read many different preachers. Some were very well known, others were not. By 1990 I was so confused I wasn't sure of anything anymore. That was when a young guy I knew, told me to go see Br Hagin next time he comes to NYS. I did and after 3- 5 yrs of reading everything I could from him, he became the only preacher I trusted. I sure do miss him. To me it was simple. Every time I went I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit in a powerful way. I reasoned that the Holy Spirit doesn't follow a man around unless that man is a special person of God. Of course Br Hagin didn't think he was a special person of God, and that was the main thing I disagreed with him on. Of course he was special.

I agree with what you said, I just use different words. I consider sin to block us off from God's energies. Br Hagin would have said the anointing can't reach us. I envision God as bathing the Earth in His holiness all the time. Most people can't grab it. Hagin once said if a person is strong enough in faith that person can just reach out and take what they need from God. But I say sin blocks it, kinda like a force field. God's energy can't reach us unless He intervenes to override His own spiritual laws. God does this, but not usually.
You see, I think I know the sin blocking me. I smoke tobacco and I've felt for at least 7 - 8 yrs that God wants me to stop it. His main reason was because it was going to make me quite sick, which has happened. I'm so badly depressed I want to die, and that's probably another sin. I really need to quit, and I just don't want to. It's not because of God, I'm self destructive due to being depressed. I also agree that nothing bad comes from God. Therefore, I reason God wants to help me, but I'm blocking His help with these 2 sins, at least. Not trying to boast, but I made good progress since I learned of Br. Hagin. But in the last 7yrs, something is wrong.

Well Basha, thank you very much for responding to me.

God Bless

 

[Basha21]

Hi olderguy,

I'm so glad you responded this morning! I grew up in upstate NY (outside of Albany). Was also saved in 1981, but that was after I moved to Florida. And I quit smoking in '83, four weeks after I quit drinking. It was pretty tough for me.

I so agree with so many things you said, they really spoke to me. I've been exactly where you are. I'm so sorry you're going through it as I know how very difficult it is. I lost sight of God when I went through it, sadly. You can still receive your miracle! Yes, sin can block God, but He still doesn't want you sick and wounded.

I know He loves you and wants you healed, spirit, soul and body. He is a good God and has not forsaken you.

I listen to Keith Moore of Faith Life Church (Live Internet Broadcast | Faith Life Church - Branson, MO). He was with Brother Hagin for around 20 years and served him faithfully. He taught at Rhema, led praise and worship, led Healing School, traveled with him in his meetings, you name it he did whatever Brother Hagin needed. He's very balanced and is my go-to preacher. I know listening to different preachers and teachers can get confusing, but I really trust Brother Moore--as much as I trusted Brother Hagin, and that's saying a lot.

I'm not sure their phones are manned 24/7, but if you aren't in church tomorrow morning, their services start at 9 a.m. Central time and you can call for prayer then. God doesn't want you sick, depressed or to go home to be with Him because you're smoking. I used to get under a TON of condemnation and that is not what God wants for you.

I'll be praying for you and I don't say that lightly. Please let us know if there is anything else we can do for you.

Marcia

Hi Basha,

I'm actually glad that you agreed with me. Typical Christians say sins don't mean anything to God. They think we can sin all we want and it effects nothing. I never did agree with them on this, not even as a baby Christian. I was Born Again in 1981 or so. All through the 80's I went to various churches that were bad. So then in-between reading the scriptures I read many different preachers. Some were very well known, others were not. By 1990 I was so confused I wasn't sure of anything anymore. That was when a young guy I knew, told me to go see Br Hagin next time he comes to NYS. I did and after 3- 5 yrs of reading everything I could from him, he became the only preacher I trusted. I sure do miss him. To me it was simple. Every time I went I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit in a powerful way. I reasoned that the Holy Spirit doesn't follow a man around unless that man is a special person of God. Of course Br Hagin didn't think he was a special person of God, and that was the main thing I disagreed with him on. Of course he was special.

I agree with what you said, I just use different words. I consider sin to block us off from God's energies. Br Hagin would have said the anointing can't reach us. I envision God as bathing the Earth in His holiness all the time. Most people can't grab it. Hagin once said if a person is strong enough in faith that person can just reach out and take what they need from God. But I say sin blocks it, kinda like a force field. God's energy can't reach us unless He intervenes to override His own spiritual laws. God does this, but not usually.
You see, I think I know the sin blocking me. I smoke tobacco and I've felt for at least 7 - 8 yrs that God wants me to stop it. His main reason was because it was going to make me quite sick, which has happened. I'm so badly depressed I want to die, and that's probably another sin. I really need to quit, and I just don't want to. It's not because of God, I'm self destructive due to being depressed. I also agree that nothing bad comes from God. Therefore, I reason God wants to help me, but I'm blocking His help with these 2 sins, at least. Not trying to boast, but I made good progress since I learned of Br. Hagin. But in the last 7yrs, something is wrong.

Well Basha, thank you very much for responding to me.

God Bless

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

I listen to Keith Moore of Faith Life Church (Live Internet Broadcast | Faith Life Church - Branson, MO). He was with Brother Hagin for around 20 years and served him faithfully. He taught at Rhema, led praise and worship, led Healing School, traveled with him in his meetings, you name it he did whatever Brother Hagin needed. He's very balanced and is my go-to preacher. I know listening to different preachers and teachers can get confusing, but I really trust Brother Moore--as much as I trusted Brother Hagin, and that's saying a lot.

Marcia and olderguy,

Keith Moore is a great preacher. He's got an extensive, free online library of sermons to listen to.

One that I think is awesome and might be if direct help here, olderguy, is Without A Doubt. It is 11 parts (yeah, a little long) but very well worth it.

You see it is not sin in your life that is the block. Sin won't block God, or He couldn't have come to save you in the first place. Sin DOES get in the way of the blessing, since sin takes us out into the curse (our choice!) and we leave the blessing, we leave His hedge, we get out from under His wing.

So if it's not sin, then what is it? Ultimately, it is doubt. The devil entices us to sin, or our carnal selves choose sin (even without his help), and then we are in a position of condemnation. The devil will condemn you about your sin. Then you doubt that God will help you, will heal you, will draw near to you. You become double minded over what God has said in His Word. Listen to Keith Moore's message, you'll see this better.

 

[Basha21]

You're correct--God can and does perform miracles even for the unsaved all the time. Brother Moore is nothing if not thorough! Good choice of series. Thanks.

Marcia and olderguy,

Keith Moore is a great preacher. He's got an extensive, free online library of sermons to listen to.

One that I think is awesome and might be if direct help here, olderguy, is Without A Doubt. It is 11 parts (yeah, a little long) but very well worth it.

You see it is not sin in your life that is the block. Sin won't block God, or He couldn't have come to save you in the first place. Sin DOES get in the way of the blessing, since sin takes us out into the curse (our choice!) and we leave the blessing, we leave His hedge, we get out from under His wing.

So if it's not sin, then what is it? Ultimately, it is doubt. The devil entices us to sin, or our carnal selves choose sin (even without his help), and then we are in a position of condemnation. The devil will condemn you about your sin. Then you doubt that God will help you, will heal you, will draw near to you. You become double minded over what God has said in His Word. Listen to Keith Moore's message, you'll see this better.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

If we're trying to operate in the Spirit, do you think our sins will prevent us from seeing results? I do. At one time I used to see some results, at least on small things. But now, for a long time, something is wrong. Based on everything I read from K. Hagin, I think he lived one of the most sin free lives I ever heard of. I'm not saying he never committed a sin, I'd guess he did occasionally. But I think that compared to the average person Hagin had much less. It seems to only be common sense, that if we want to see God do signs and wonders in our lives, that we have to strive to be as sin free as possible. Especially with a sin we aren't even trying to give up. Not as hard as we can, anyway.

What do you WoF people think about this?

Kenneth E. Hagin is awesome.

Sin. If you don't have Jesus in your heart, how many sins would it take to miss heaven? A thousand? A hundred? Ten?

One?

God requires perfection. So with one sin you have fallen short of the Glory of God. One.

Thank God for Jesus.

He has paid for all of your sins. Every one. Each one. All of them, past, present and future. It is the ONLY reason you can be saved. He paid for them.

So now:

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.​

God doesn't see your sin. It won't stop Him.

It can only stop you. Or more specifically the blessing in your life because of your own attitude, doubt, double-mindedness.

Here, look at what Paul says:

Romans 7:15-20 (NET)
15 For I don't understand what I am doing. For I do not do what I want - instead, I do what I hate. 16 But if I do what I don't want, I agree that the law is good. 17 But now it is no longer me doing it, but sin that lives in me. 18 For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For I want to do the good, but I cannot do it. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but I do the very evil I do not want! 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer me doing it but sin that lives in me.​

The question is this: do you perform the sin in your life purposefully, with foreknowledge that it is sin, or do you find yourself (even willfully) doing it but feeling convicted that it isn't or wasn't the right thing to do. In other words, you smoke a cigarette. Do you know it's wrong? Something entices you to do it anyway, right? If you know it is wrong, but you do it anyway, then it is sin within you what does it and not you. You know it's wrong and would rather not, but give in to it.

You have a new man and an old man. In this case the old man is winning some battles, but the new man will win the war. It's called sanctification. The conviction that something is wrong. The desire to change. Now you need to apply your will to line up with God's will by crucifying your flesh. Begin to deny your flesh a cigarette. Maybe once. Twice. Soon your will shall grow stronger than your old man's desires as God's Word sinks in deeper.