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Gen 3:16 is part of a section starting in 3:14. It's a curse on the snake, on Adam and Eve, and even on the ground, as some combination of punishment for and consequence of sin. That Eve will have to obey her husband is in parallel with birth being painful weeds and thistles growing, and the snake being cursed.
It is far from a statement of the ideal relationship between men and women. It's a result of things being out of kilter.
1 Corinthians 7:4 is one of the verses that says the husband and wife belong to each other. But ultimately, the husband is the God appointed authority over the wife. Not only is she to submit to him, but he is responsible for her, her salvation, in God's eyes.
It isn't as simple as the wife has to be submissive to her husband. This does not, however, entitle the man to boss her around, mistreat her or disrespect her.
The husband, in my opinion, has a much bigger job with a lot of responsibility. He is to love his wife as Jesus loves the church. It is his job to protect her, guide her, love her and lead her. That is a pretty big job.
Genesis 3:16
16 To the woman He said,
I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you.
Ephesians 5:22-23
22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
Please note verse 23 "for the husband is the head of the wife."
Colossians 3:18-19
18 Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them.
1 Corinthians 11:3
3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
So, to answer your question, yes. He has not only the right to stop her, to tell her she should not go, he also has the responsibility, as her God appointed authority, to do so.
I disagree with what you have stated.
Don't shoot me, I am only the messenger. Those verses come straight from the Bible.
And the Bible is what I live by. Perhaps you have something else, I do not know. But if that is the case, it would be like we were speaking different languages because your value system would be different from mine.
But that is what the Bible does say and that is what the OP was asking.
The reason why I disagree is because my wife and I interpret scripture differently then you do. We interpret it differently then those who hold a wife only submission view.
We believe that we are called to mutually submit to each other in our marriage, that neither is the leader because we both lead when the other knows more about a situation than the other.
As I have stated in this thread, I will not stop her from going by forcing her to stay home. If she wants to go after I have said that I don't think it's such a good idea, than she can go. I am not her dictator that tells her when, where and how she can go somewhere.
She is an adult who gets to make those choices on her own.
Not only is she to submit to him, but he is responsible for her, her salvation, in God's eyes.
The reason why I disagree is because my wife and I interpret scripture differently then you do. We interpret it differently then those who hold a wife only submission view.
We believe that we are called to mutually submit to each other in our marriage, that neither is the leader because we both lead when the other knows more about a situation than the other.
As I have stated in this thread, I will not stop her from going by forcing her to stay home. If she wants to go after I have said that I don't think it's such a good idea, than she can go. I am not her dictator that tells her when, where and how she can go somewhere.
She is an adult who gets to make those choices on her own.
Why do people keep saying "LIEK IT DIESN'T GIVE YOU THE RITE TO BOS YOUR WIFE AROUND!111" when I clearly stated like 9 times in my OP that anything said to the wife would be in the spirit of love and meekness to BENEFIT her spiritually or physically.
Good grief.
Like, say a husband finds out that his wife is going to participate in an activity that is not "godly" but rather worldly. Now, the husband, after praying and making judgement based on what the Bible says, states that it's not a good idea and he doesn't want her to go. If she does, is she dishonoring her husband?
What about the inverse situation? What if the husband wants to participate in a "worldly" activity and the wife states that it's not a good idea and that she doesn't want him to go, but he does anyway? Is he dishonoring his wife?
Why do people keep saying "LIEK IT DIESN'T GIVE YOU THE RITE TO BOS YOUR WIFE AROUND!111" when I clearly stated like 9 times in my OP that anything said to the wife would be in the spirit of love and meekness to BENEFIT her spiritually or physically.
Good grief.
But if you are telling her what to do, and assuming that you know better than she does, then you ARE bossing her around, no matter how sweetly you are doing it.
Exactly. Someone will see every verse and think its needes to be interpruted. I remember some guy (on another forum) debating for months over the commandment "Thou shalt not steal!" He added his own words and interpritations. I told him its a straight forward command, you don't need a degree in language to figure it out. Don't steal is don't steal! lol. ^.^Btw i find it amusing how people keep saying "my interpretation of the Bible.'" It doesn't matter what you think it means but what God says it supposed to mean. In other words, let the Bible interpret itself. Don't let your reasoning or the world's reasoning to influence the meaning of the scriptures
It is her choice to submit! if she doesn't do so then there's nothing he can do about it.
We are supposed to be Christ-like husbands! We have to see what kind of leader Christ was(is); How did He lead those who followed Him while He was here on earth. This is the TRUE missing piece of the puzzle!
Point aside though, if my wife were to get into any serious danger, i don't care if it isn't fair or if shes okay with it, my priority is her safety and i'll do whatever it takes to get her out of such dangerous situation. (i'm not married so it doesn't matter yet)
Btw i find it amusing how people keep saying "my interpretation of the Bible.'" It doesn't matter what you think it means but what God says it supposed to mean. In other words, let the Bible interpret itself. Don't let your reasoning or the world's reasoning to influence the meaning of the scriptures
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Why do people keep saying "LIEK IT DIESN'T GIVE YOU THE RITE TO BOS YOUR WIFE AROUND!111" when I clearly stated like 9 times in my OP that anything said to the wife would be in the spirit of love and meekness to BENEFIT her spiritually or physically.
Good grief.
only problem with this is that to understand various passage you need to be aware of cultural norms for the time it was written. I don't find non-catholics teaching that contraception is bad after all so they do this when they want to but then want to ignore it for other passages. That is all part of interpretation.Btw i find it amusing how people keep saying "my interpretation of the Bible.'" It doesn't matter what you think it means but what God says it supposed to mean. In other words, let the Bible interpret itself. Don't let your reasoning or the world's reasoning to influence the meaning of the scriptures
Exactly. Someone will see every verse and think its needes to be interpruted. I remember some guy (on another forum) debating for months over the commandment "Thou shalt not steal!" He added his own words and interpritations. I told him its a straight forward command, you don't need a degree in language to figure it out. Don't steal is don't steal! lol. ^.^
The problem isn't submission, itself, rather the fact that most men out there are entirely unfit to be in any sort of authoritative position over their wife. Why would my husband know better for my spiritual state than I would? My husband isn't my link to my Savior. I've got a direct hook up to my Heavenly Father. I don't need my husband to act as my intercessor. We are one another's accountability partners. We both bounce ideas off one another. Sometimes he asks me questions about the Bible, and sometimes I ask him.
Now, if Jim came home from work one day and caught me practicing voodoo in the attic, I'm sure he'd have something to say about that. And, yes, I respect his feelings, because I am deeply in love with him. But I refuse to fear him the way I fear God. Jim is too fallible to have earned that privilege. Most men (and women, for that matter) cannot separate God's voice from selfish wants. Your (general, here, not singling you out specifically) wife may want to do something that your flesh disagrees with, so you tell her you've heard from God on the matter. That's a fairly persuasive argument and nothing short of spiritual blackmail, which is what most couples do that try and over-spiritualize these so-called "biblical gender roles" in marriage.
The husband manipulates the Scriptures to silence his wife. The wife bats her eyelashes and acts like a mousy fool, because some book told her that doing so will cause her husband to adore and cherish her. It's such a game. True love is about mutually yielding to one another. I once read in a submission book (Daughters of Sarah, I believe) that "partnership" and "sitting down and talking things out" are "sinful and worldly concepts". At one point in the book, the author shares a story in which her husband made her cancel plans to attend their granddaughter's birthday party, because he wanted to close their summer home for the winter. What sort of insensitive jerk would claim his wife should submit to such a thing, and what sort of foolish woman would willingly submit to that? And yet countless conservative Christian men and women will hail this story as the epitome of how a true Christian wife should handle her marriage.
Yep exactly!I once worked with a guy who told me, "What if your interpretation of the Bible is wrong?" (he was not a believer at all)
I told him, "The Bible is not to be interpreted. The scripture is very straightforward. All you have to do is study it."
People don't like what the scripture says so they try to twist the scripture and put their own spin on the meanings. But just because you call an elephant a mouse doesn't make it a mouse. It is what it is.
Maybe it was from thisWhy do people keep saying "LIEK IT DIESN'T GIVE YOU THE RITE TO BOS YOUR WIFE AROUND!111" when I clearly stated like 9 times in my OP that anything said to the wife would be in the spirit of love and meekness to BENEFIT her spiritually or physically.
Good grief.
See making the decision for her and expecting her to obey does not fit in with what is love. I know there are aspects of love that this matches up with. however love is all the aspects so this does not fit.What verses state this is how this should be done? Shouldn't a man be able to make decisions for his wife if he feels it's best? If made out of love and meekness, and not for personal gain or motive?
Well why do you have a problem with it? or are you claiming you are perfect and don't sin? So you are not perfect at it so why are you saying what is womens problem? Sounds a bit like trying to remove a splinter from anothers eye while there is a log in your own.Precisely. If a husband says that after prayer and guidance from the Word, that something is best, that's how it is, end of story. That's what the Bible says. Why do Christian woman have a problem with this, despite it being black and white?
except rebuking comes after the sin not before it. it is clear that God does allow us to go our own way rather than force us to go the God's way. if you don't believe that then I don't think you have read the bible real well.It's good to mutually agree on things. I don't think anyone is arguing that.
But what kind of love are you exhibiting if you let your wife go into harms way just because "lol she wants to"? That's not really love, I'm afraid.
If God didn't love us, He wouldn't rebuke us for our sins.
"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." Hebrews 12:6
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