With support from Russian bots, Sean Hannity supporters smash Keurig machines in response to boycott

[TLK Valentine]

You don't know that the machine-destroyers are in that category of customers who buy their one-cup refills from other suppliers, and, like it or not, that is where Keurig makes most of its profits.

Indeed -- if they're dumb enough to smash their machines after they paid for them, they're probably not aware that they can get the same quality coffee for less money.

 

[Vylo]

Hannity's point was simple and direct, therefore I am not surprised it escaped partisan leftist screaming and wailing he lose his show. Moore, just as with anyone else accused of a crime, has a right to due process and the establishment of innocence or guilt via proof before punishment is applied.

What the liberal/progressive left wants to do is destroy Moore based only on the accusation itself while at the same time ignoring the actual proof against guys like Mendez, Clinton (either), or any other Democrat proven to have broken any law or engaged in amoral behavior anywhere at any time.

He's not being tried in criminal court, due process doesn't come into play here.

We have a mountain of evidence against him, more than enough for preponderance of evidence. This should be put on display for the voters of Alabama to discern, and for the senate to determine if they want someone of such questionable character in their midst.

 

[RogerRoger]

Just a note on how Twitter decides something is a Russian bot: If it's ever connected to twitter via a Russian internet connection, even once. If it has Cyrillic in the user name, or has ever used Cyrillic. If you do any of that, but state that you live in America, congratulations, you are now seen as a likely bot.

Actually there are a variety of external programs, such as Botometer, which uses a large number of factors, including composition of tweets, and their followers/follows, to estimate how likely it is that the account is a bot.

An example.

• A new account (<1 year)
• <100 followers, which mainly include other known, suspected bots
• Tweets that match, verbatim, other tweets from similar accounts
• Verbatim tweets sent at the same time as identical tweets from within suspected bot networks

This is an area of research that is evolving, and those who wish to use these bots are adapting to detection.

For example, here's an excerpt from a good bloomberg article:

"Independent researchers are starting to peel back the layers of political interference. There were about 400,000 bots posting political messages during the 2016 U.S. presidential election on Twitter, according to a research paper by Emilio Ferrara, an assistant professor at the University of Southern California. He told Bloomberg that he has discovered that the same group of 1,600 bots tweeting extremist right-wing posts in the U.S. elections also posted anti-Macron sentiment during the French elections and extremist right-wing content during the German elections this year.

Teaching Twitter’s algorithms to find malicious tweeters is challenging. Russian meddlers in particular are complementing their networks of bots with human laborers who are paid to Tweet coordinated messages at the same time. It can be difficult for Twitter's algorithms to detect the difference, according to a person familiar with the matter."
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My point is, it's not as simple as you suggest. There are quantifiable methods of identifying bots on twitter, whether Russian, or used by companies like Netflix. Their swarm behavior is a key indicator.

 

[TLK Valentine]

He's not being tried in criminal court, due process doesn't come into play here.

We have a mountain of evidence against him, more than enough for preponderance of evidence. This should be put on display for the voters of Alabama to discern, and for the senate to determine if they want someone of such questionable character in their midst.

Personally, I found his character to be pretty questionable long before all this... but if the voters of Alabama want him, then the voters of Alabama deserve him.

As for the Senate, it sounds like they're already oiling up the revolving door so they can bounce him out the second he takes his seat... if he makes it that far.

 

[Albion]

He's not being tried in criminal court, due process doesn't come into play here.

But (for about the fifth time) fairness does--at least among Christians, which most of the people here profess to be.

 

[Belk]

But (for about the fifth time) fairness does--at least among Christians, which most of the people here profess to be.

If it only applies to Republican candidates it looks a whole lot less like fairness and a whole lot more like ad hoc rationalization.

 

[Vylo]

But (for about the fifth time) fairness does--at least among Christians, which most of the people here profess to be.

No fairness does not. Due process is about being tried in court, which he isn't.

Now if this was in court, a civil trial would have already found him guilty. Preponderance is certainly there. But in criminal court it would not condemn him.

 

[Vylo]

If it only applies to Republican candidates it looks a whole lot less like fairness and a whole lot more like ad hoc rationalization.

Yeah, if Clinton is being accused of colluding with Russians with barely a scrap of evidence, they condemn here, but Trump's kid can literally tweet out the emails showing collusion and it doesn't meet a standard of proof worth inquiry to them.

The double standard is fairly impressive.

 

[Albion]

No fairness does not. Due process is about being tried in court, which he isn't.

Apparently, my point about the "rightness" of treating other people fairly went right over your head.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Let's recap:

Keurig (and Volvo) pulled their advertising from Hannity because they believe that he was supporting and defending pedophilia.

Conservatives are boycotting them for this.

Once again: Conservatives are boycotting a company for being AGAINST pedophilia.

Let that sink in.

 

[Sistrin]

Keurig (and Volvo) pulled their advertising from Hannity because they believe that he was supporting and defending pedophilia.

Moore was neither charged or accused of pedophilia. He was accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a teen and sexual misconduct. However the most recent accuser is represented by Gloria Allred, a fact which immediately calls into question anything Nelson says. Allred has a well established reputation, and when her name becomes attached to any issue such as this everyone knows a witch hunt has been launched.

This is not a defense of Moore, it is a simple acknowledgement of the truth. Allred is a media insert word which refers to those who sell themselves for money, and her goal is always the same. Money, and her face in the spotlight.

Conservatives are boycotting them for this.

And Keurig apologized for their actions in regard to Hannity's show.

Hannity calls for Keurig protesters to stand down after company CEO apologizes for pulling ads

"Keurig’s CEO, Bob Gamgort, addressed the situation in an email to company employees obtained by The Washington Post, calling the situation “unacceptable” and said the move “was done outside of company protocols.”

The memo explained the company advertises to both liberal and conservative networks, “which will continue.” Gamgort told employees, “I apologize for any negativity that you have experienced as a result of this situation and assure you that we will learn and improve going forward.”

Once again: Conservatives are boycotting a company for being AGAINST pedophilia.

In no manner is that true. Conservatives responded as they did because they immediately recognized this situation for exactly what it was, another in an unending attempt to manufacture outrage targeted toward someone who dared differ with and question their narrative.

The liberal/progressive left is as transparent as a brand new pane of glass, and the fact many are no longer rolling over and accepting their absolute nonsense is what has you up in arms. Your charge Conservatives and by extension Hannity, FOX News, the Republican Party and of course Donald Trump are defending pedophilia is specious, infantile, and partisan in the extreme.

Let that sink in.

That you have once again been disingenuous? Yeah, we got that.

 

[Rion]

If it only applies to Republican candidates it looks a whole lot less like fairness and a whole lot more like ad hoc rationalization.

Who said it was only applicable to them?

 

[Rion]

Moore was neither charged or accused of pedophilia. He was accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a teen and sexual misconduct. However the most recent accuser is represented by Gloria Allred, a fact which immediately calls into question anything Nelson says. Allred has a well established reputation, and when her name becomes attached to any issue such as this everyone knows a witch hunt has been launched.

This is not a defense of Moore, it is a simple acknowledgement of the truth. Allred is a media insert word which refers to those who sell themselves for money, and her goal is always the same. Money, and her face in the spotlight.



And Keurig apologized for their actions in regard to Hannity's show.

Hannity calls for Keurig protesters to stand down after company CEO apologizes for pulling ads

"Keurig’s CEO, Bob Gamgort, addressed the situation in an email to company employees obtained by The Washington Post, calling the situation “unacceptable” and said the move “was done outside of company protocols.”

The memo explained the company advertises to both liberal and conservative networks, “which will continue.” Gamgort told employees, “I apologize for any negativity that you have experienced as a result of this situation and assure you that we will learn and improve going forward.”



In no manner is that true. Conservatives responded as they did because they immediately recognized this situation for exactly what it was, another in an unending attempt to manufacture outrage targeted toward someone who dared differ with and question their narrative.

The liberal/progressive left is as transparent as a brand new pane of glass, and the fact many are no longer rolling over and accepting their absolute nonsense is what has you up in arms. Your charge Conservatives and by extension Hannity, FOX News, the Republican Party and of course Donald Trump are defending pedophilia is specious, infantile, and partisan in the extreme.



That you have once again been disingenuous? Yeah, we got that.

He may not be disingenuous here. The far left has developed a "listen and believe" mindset, where the accusation of a crime or wrong doing is enough to be condemned for it. It doesn't really matter if the allegations are later proven false, many will just assume they're guilty anyhow.

Now, yes, both sides engage in this to an extent for "their team" or rather... they did. At this point, however, it's became a feeding frenzy. Why do you think Hollywood is eating itself at the moment?

 

[Glass*Soul]

Moore was neither charged or accused of pedophilia. He was accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a teen and sexual misconduct. However the most recent accuser is represented by Gloria Allred, a fact which immediately calls into question anything Nelson says. Allred has a well established reputation, and when her name becomes attached to any issue such as this everyone knows a witch hunt has been launched.

It seems pretty inconsistent to me that you are calling for presumption of innocence for Moore while deciding that Ms. Nelson is lying based on who her lawyer is.

 

[Belk]

Who said it was only applicable to them?

Past experience where said fairness has not been applied to others.

 

[Rion]

Past experience where said fairness has not been applied to others.

See my second post. Sure, there's always "Team Players" as I call them, but then there's people who just don't like declaring someone as guilty without evidence.

 

[Belk]

See my second post. Sure, there's always "Team Players" as I call them, but then there's people who just don't like declaring someone as guilty without evidence.

Indeed. I am sure there are some on both sides who do not wish to rush to judgement.

That does not change the fact that in this case there is some fairly compelling evidence nor the fact that I have seen multiple people on this forum who claim we should not rush to judgement who had no problem when it was a perceived political rival.

 

[Sistrin]

It seems pretty inconsistent to me that you are calling for presumption of innocence for Moore while deciding that Ms. Nelson is lying based on who her lawyer is.

What Moore has been accused of constitutes criminal activity. My position has been clear. In this country the standard was established from the founding, that the accused benefits from the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. During the 1990's liberals fell all over themselves defending Clinton, a man accused of far more specific and heinous actions than Moore, some of which were subsequently proven to have been true. Yet now the standard has been redefined, where the accusation alone is enough to convict.

I stated as a result of his answers Moore destroyed himself during his interview with Hannity regardless of any actual guilt, and I stand by that. But that conclusion was based on a political reality and the nature of the main stream media, an organization which is so desperate to destroy any they identify as opposition they would seize on his evasiveness and wield it as a weapon against him.

However my stating Moore is politically dead does not mean the same as stating he is guilty as charged. The closed minded insist he is guilty as charged, the partisan fueled by hate of the President insist he is charged, those who desperately want the Alabama Senate seat to go to a Democrat insist he is guilty as charged. But none of those conditions constitute actual proof he is guilty as charged.

In addition I did not state Nelson was lying. I said the fact Allred is representing her calls her statements into question, just as Moore's evasiveness calls his statements into question.

 

[Glass*Soul]

What Moore has been accused of constitutes criminal activity. My position has been clear. In this country the standard was established from the founding, that the accused benefits from the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. During the 1990's liberals fell all over themselves defending Clinton, a man accused of far more specific and heinous actions than Moore, some of which were subsequently proven to have been true. Yet now the standard has been redefined, where the accusation alone is enough to convict.

We're never going to get the carefully shepherded evidence being presented and argued that a jury gets in a trial in this matter. The statute of limitations is up. We only get what the media throws at us, from Pulitzer level investigative reporting to Russian bots. It would be ridiculous for us simply automatically presume innocence. We have to weigh the evidence we have and rely on our best judgement. A decision has to be made.

I stated as a result of his answers Moore destroyed himself during his interview with Hannity regardless of any actual guilt, and I stand by that. But that conclusion was based on a political reality and the nature of the main stream media, an organization which is so desperate to destroy any they identify as opposition they would seize on his evasiveness and wield it as a weapon against him.

However my stating Moore is politically dead does not mean the same as stating he is guilty as charged. The closed minded insist he is guilty as charged, the partisan fueled by hate of the President insist he is charged, those who desperately want the Alabama Senate seat to go to a Democrat insist he is guilty as charged. But none of those conditions constitute actual proof he is guilty as charged.

In addition I did not state Nelson was lying. I said the fact Allred is representing her calls her statements into question, just as Moore's evasiveness calls his statements into question.

Agreed that politically dead and guilty as charged are two different things. The voters simply have to make a determination without a trial being conducted. I think he did it. I think he probably did it more often than we even know yet. If I were on a jury I would have to suspend that suspicion and listen to the evidence with the beginning presumption that he is innocent. In the voting booth I am not constrained in that manner. Luckily for Moore, if not for the rest of the nation, the political leanings of the people of Alabama may afford Moore more of a presumption of innocence in the voter's booth than I would be likely to muster.

Either way, my Keurig is still intact. However, I make my own K-cups. Win/Win.

 

[Landon Caeli]

...I needed a new Keurig anyways.