Witches, wizards and the occult

jacknife · Apr 8, 2016

Stanfordella said:
Is anyone planning on visiting the new Harry Potter theme area at Universal Studios Hollywood? The grand opening was yesterday, and my little sisters were lucky enough to go after school and have a superbly magnificent time. Even my parents loved it. I cannot wait to check it out!

I'm too busy contacting the Illuminati to figure out why I never got a raise.

keith99 · Apr 8, 2016

Stanfordella said:
Is anyone planning on visiting the new Harry Potter theme area at Universal Studios Hollywood? The grand opening was yesterday, and my little sisters were lucky enough to go after school and have a superbly magnificent time. Even my parents loved it. I cannot wait to check it out!

I'll go if you have some magic spell that will make it so I can go on the 6 3/4ths day of the week so that there are not crowds of muggles everywhere!

dms1972 · Apr 17, 2016

goodbook said:
CS lewis, I read actually was an atheist before he became a christian and did dabble in the occult, which is why he wrote lion witch and wardrobe and knew a lot about them...witches that is. In that book, its a witch not a wizard, thats the star of the story as it were.

Thats untrue, she is the villian in the tale. She doesn't occupy a starring role. You have also said you were not sure you had read the book.

You seem to be projecting a little bit unto other writers. Although there are a few here who have been goading you. No one has said you have to read CS Lewis, or Tolkien or any fantasy work. I said this and others said it in another thread. Thus leaving you free to read what you find edifying. The same with Harry Potter, though I have more concerns about those and can explain them - people have to be fully convinced in there own minds from Scripture about what they are free to read, including Harry Potter. But Paul says he would give up reading something if it destroyed the conscience of a weaker brother. Yet when you start saying all these books are the same and suggesting those who read Lewis , or Tolkien are deceived you are not behaving like a weaker christian, you may be convinced in your own mind. But you are not allowing others the freedom to cultivate their own convictions.

Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you. Do not speak against one another, brethren.

dms1972 · Apr 17, 2016

Saucy said:
Except Harry Potter was completely made up in someone's mind. There is no connection to real-life witchcraft. There is no connection to Satan. The words they use and their abilities were COMPLETELY made up and have no bearing on the real world.

So I think there is a major difference between enjoying a fictional movie and getting involved in real witchcraft.

Why are Wiccans then saying Harry Potter novels have boosted interest in witchcraft?

http://www.wnd.com/2003/06/19247/

dms1972 · Apr 17, 2016

GQ Chris · Apr 17, 2016

There's a lot of Christians still into Astrology.

Gnarwhal · Apr 17, 2016

dms1972 said:
Why are Wiccans then saying Harry Potter novels have boosted interest in witchcraft.

http://www.wnd.com/2003/06/19247/

World Nut Daily = not a credible source for anything.

dms1972 · Apr 17, 2016

[addendum]I have no opinion on the website that carried the article, nor knew anything about it - if it offended someones political sensibilities then they took offense when none was given or intended.

If you had addressed the content of the article rather than the website I would have been inclined to listen to you.

For others who are interested - Here is a website that presents the same concerns.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/harrypotter.html

(self-edited / moderated)

keith99 · Apr 17, 2016

dms1972 said:
Why are Wiccans then saying Harry Potter novels have boosted interest in witchcraft.

http://www.wnd.com/2003/06/19247/

According to World Net Daily!

They also said that Harry Potter was meticulously researched because it matched Wicca so well!

I've never heard of those involved in Wicca using 'magic wands' that incorporate a body part of a magic animal or muttering cheesy pseudo Latin. Nor do I recall any Harry Potter character calling on the Goddess or any other deity. I can live with that. But I really hate having missed the Sky Clad rituals in the Harry Potter films.

Cimorene · Apr 17, 2016

Cimorene · Apr 17, 2016

Rhamiel · Apr 17, 2016

dms1972 said:
Why are Wiccans then saying Harry Potter novels have boosted interest in witchcraft.

http://www.wnd.com/2003/06/19247/

maybe because Harry Potter is insanely popular all over the world among many different demographics
while Wicca is a very small religion with no real respect among academics or cultural elites
so if Wiccans are able to link the two together it could be beneficial for them

Gnarwhal · Apr 18, 2016

dms1972 said:
I dislike and am saddened by the prideful and disdainful attitudes I see on the forums. Lack of discernment, humility and criticism arising from ignorance of men of God like CS Lewis by some posters. As bad company may corrupt people of good character, so proud lukewarm and disdainful christians are best avoided by those who love Jesus.

Reckon my support of the website at an end, and the responsibility for sorting the mess back where it belongs. I won't be posting here any more.

So somebody challenges the credentials of a website known for perpetuating incredibly skewed stories so that they favor right-wing conspiracy theories, and you respond by making a sweeping generalization not only about the character of the members on this forum, but ostensibly about the salvation of professed Christians as well?

That's a big no-no pal:

Flaming and Goading
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Not to mention the irony of accusing people here of pride, and then proclaiming your departure as if suddenly there wouldn't be any righteousness left on the site thereafter.

dms1972 · Apr 18, 2016

Thanks for mentioning Goading and sweeping generalisations.

Darth Bagel said:
World Nut Daily = not a credible source for anything.

There are several comments could be thought as goading the OP in this thread, including #3, #19 and #34, #162

I have self-moderated any of mine that I thought might be misunderstood.

keith99 · Apr 18, 2016

dms1972 said:
Thanks for mentioning Goading and sweeping generalisations.

There are several comments could be thought as goading the OP in this thread, including #3, #19 and #34, #162

I have self-moderated any of mine that I thought might be misunderstood.

So disagreeing with a blatantly false statement by the OP is goading?

Sorry, I'm not a Harry Potter fan but the statement that the Harry Potter Fad is over is twice false. It was and is far more than a fad and even those who actively dislike it (I do not fall into that set either) who are honest hardly say it is over.

dms1972 · Apr 18, 2016

Sorry, I'm not a Harry Potter fan but the statement that the Harry Potter Fad is over is twice false. It was and is far more than a fad and even those who actively dislike it (I do not fall into that set either) who are honest hardly say it is over.

Its not really something one can gauge whether it is over, so I wouldn't say what she said was 'blatantly false', as its died down a bit at least hasn't it? It will continue with its loyal supporters I suppose for a while, but all the hype it had behind it is over. But perhaps it is all overblown, both those worrying about witchcraft and those raving about how great the books are.

I don't think the Harry Potter books are rotten to the core - others see good points in them but I dislike that they may inculcate an elitist and somewhat narcissistic 'poor misunderstood me' mindset in more vulnerable kids.

I joined in to explain my views on the differences between Tolkien, Lewis, Rowling and others. I find Tolkien and Lewis, provide a more authentic vision of good versus evil, than Rowling. Not disputing she has some writing skill, or suggesting she set out to lead kids to dabble in any actual occult activities.

I don't understand the OP, except that she now wants to keep clear of anything with witches in it, and that's fine. Not everyone likes fantasy anyway. But as she seems to want to read and seems to rule out a lot for herself, I don't think she is getting all that from God - neither should she be ruling it out for others who can read with discernment.

dms1972 · Apr 18, 2016

It has been a long time since I read The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe but my recollection is the Witch did not get all that much screentime. More than the Wardrobe and the streetlamp, but not much more.

very good

keith99 · Apr 19, 2016

dms1972 said:
Its not really something one can gauge whether it is over, so it wouldn't say what she said was 'blatantly false', as its died down a bit at least hasn't it? It will continue with its loyal supporters I suppose for a while, but all the hype it had behind it is over. If people read Harry Potter I don't care very much. I'd have never thought of starting a thread against it.

I joined in to explain my views on the differences between Tolkien, Lewis, Rowling and others. Not disputing she has some writing skill, and most likely never intended kids to get interested in actual occult activities.

But I find Tolkien and Lewis, provide a more authentic vision of good versus evil, than Rowling.

I don't understand the OP, except that she now wants to keep clear of anything with witches in it, and that's fine. Not everyone likes fantasy anyway. But as she seems to want to read and seems to rule out a lot for herself, I don't think she is getting all that from God - neither should she be ruling it out for others who can read and discern literary themes.

I don't think the Harry Potter books are rotten to the core - others see good points in them but I dislike that they may inculcate an elitist and somewhat narcissistic 'poor misunderstood me' mindset in more vulnerable kids.

Considering Stanfordella pointed out earlier in this thread that Universal Studios has just opened a Harry Potter themed area I'd say it is blatantly false that the Harry Potter trend is over. Died down is nowhere close to gone.

dms1972 · Apr 19, 2016

Oh? I suspect its about as popular then as Donald Duck still is, and people who enjoy being surrounded by 4 year olds pretending to be Draco Malfoy zapping them with pretend wands will no doubt love their visit to it.

from an Interview with JK Rowling:

JK Rowling: 'Many boys dressed as Harry. Lately I’ve noticed people like dressing up as Draco a lot more, which I’m finding a little bit worrying. You’re all getting far too fond of Draco '

http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2003/0626-alberthall-fry.htm

SnowyMacie · Apr 19, 2016

dms1972 said:
Oh? I suspect its about as popular then as Donald Duck still is, and people who enjoy being surrounded by kids zapping them with pretend wands will no doubt love their visit to it.

Yeah..no. Harry Potter is the most popular book series in my generation, by far. You can't compare it in terms of pupularity, and it turned J.K. Rowling into a billionaire. Not to mention it's the best selling book series of all time.

If you don't like it, that's fine. However, to say that's "about as popular as Donald Duck still is" is pretty blatantly false.

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