Organized Chaos
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You call yourself a "born again pagan," but you're a Christian? That's very interesting. The only "born again pagans" I know are, well, pagan!Jean-Luc said:
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You call yourself a "born again pagan," but you're a Christian? That's very interesting. The only "born again pagans" I know are, well, pagan!Jean-Luc said:http://bornagainpagan.multiservers.com
BORN AGAIN PAGAN - From Pagan High Priest to Faith in Christ
(Gotta give my own site a plug *grin*)
Organized Chaos said:You call yourself a "born again pagan," but you're a Christian? That's very interesting. The only "born again pagans" I know are, well, pagan!They use the term the same way born again Christians use it: they believe themselves to be reborn as children of the pagan Gods. This is the first time I've ever heard a Christian use the term.
May I ask, what made you change your faith?I'm an ex-High Priest of a Pagan Coven myself who has since come to Christ...
Organized Chaos said:That wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm sure that most cultures have a similar concept, whether it be a spiritual rebirth, reincarnation, or what not. What did the Sanskrit term refer to? A spiritual rebirth?
The power for any "spell" I, personally, cast comes from my Lady and Lord. All spells are prayers, in my practice.GodismyRefuge said:Where does the 'power' come from in the practice of witchcraft?
Cerridwen said:The Divine is the Divine is the Divine, regardless of which religious connotation one affixes to it. We all worship the same Ultimate, whether admittedly or not. The sooner the "my idea of god is better than your idea of god" people realize & accept that, the better the world will be for us all.
Where in the Bible is this stated?Telrunya said:Lucifer is Satan. Satan is a term that means accuser or advesary. That is Lucifer.
Deuteronomy 18:10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,Starcrystal said:^ Nice!
Check this out, especially those Christians who are quick to judge "witches" or anyone else not of their path:
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=10680167&posted=1#post10680167
Truth is, if Jesus were here on earth today, many church people would accuse him of being a witch himself!
I find this very interesting:
http://www.wellreadwitch.com/jcwitch.htm
I could write enough about this first statement to fill a book. First off Jesus was not on an alternative spiritual path. Nothing he said conflicted with the intent of the Law. The problem Jesus had with the teachers of the Law (ie pharisees and sadducees) was that they followed the letter of the Law and thought they were righteous when the intent in their hearts was to find every loop hole they could. Second: John the Baptist was Jesus' mentor?!?! This is a news flash. John the Baptist was the herald not the mentor.wellreadwitch.com said:1. Jesus criticized the hypocrisy and legalism of the religious status quo, and chose to embrace an alternative spiritual path. Matthew 23:1-36. In Jesus' day, the religious establishment included the Pharisees and Sadducees, dominant factions in first century Judaism. Jesus' alternative path followed the radical teachings of his mentor, John the Baptist. Nowadays, in Europe and the Americas the status quo is mainly Christianity; the path of the Goddess -- Wicca -- is one of the most compelling of available spiritual alternatives. Many people who embrace Wicca have the exact same criticisms of Christianity that Jesus is said to have had about the religious establishment in his day. Hypocrisy, legalism, blind obedience of the rules to the point of ignoring spiritual values like love, trust, and freedom -- these are the problems Jesus attacked in the official religion in his day, and that many Wiccans today see in the religious status quo of our time. Perhaps Jesus, were he here today, would join Wiccans in criticizing mainstream religion and trying to find an alternative way.
Talk about slanting something your way. Ok, the fact that Jesus used clay in healing the blind man was 2 fold. 1) God made us from the earth. The earth is his creation and has no life of it's own. 2) he wanted the man to keep his eyes closed and follow his instructions. This is a matter of faith, not magic. There was nothing magical about the dirt Jesus used. Next, the center of Jesus' spiritual identity was love not healing. And finally this guy has no more clue about christianity than he claims christians do about wiccans or he would know about laying on of hands and intercessory prayer for healing.wellreadwitch.com said:2. Jesus was a psychic healer. Luke 6:19; John 9:1-12. Luke comments that "all in the crowd were trying to touch him, for power came out from him and healed all of them." And John recounts how Jesus made a magic healing paste by mixing his saliva with soil from our Mother, the Earth. For Jesus, healing was a central part of his spiritual identity. Witches, likewise, rely on herbal wisdom, natural foods, and psychic practices like reiki to bring healing and comfort to themselves and their loved ones. Sadly, the Christian religion rarely encourages its followers to take responsibility for their own healing, but rather colludes with a medical establishment that keeps people passive in regard to their own wellness. Jesus the healer has much more in common with Wiccan healers than with church-going "patients."
All I'm going to say about this is read these verses and Psalm 82:6 in context. I firmly believe that Jesus had a sense of humor and had a firm grasp on the power of a sarcastic comment.wellreadwitch.com said:3. Jesus acknowledged the divinity within each person. John 10:34-36. All he was doing was quoting the Psalms, but Jesus emphasized it: "You are gods." Throughout the Bible, Jesus uses mystical language to illustrate the essential unity between humanity and divinity. How sad that the church founded in his name lost that sense of human divinity, and has instead stressed the "fallenness" and "separation" that keeps humanity alienated from the divine. Incidentally, this is an indirect affirmation of Goddess spirituality, as well -- for if we are gods, as Jesus quoting the scripture insists, then both men and women partake of the godly nature; implying therefore that God encompasses both the masculine and feminine dimension of life. So the "God" whom Jesus worships incorporates both the God and the Goddess as revered by Wiccans.
Ummm can anyone say Left field? Jesus prayed in the synagogs and at the temple. Yes he went into the wilderness to be alone, just as we christians have our private prayer time with God. Yes God wants us to be good stewards but he also placed the earth and all the animals under man's dominion. Dominion- equates to dominance over. You might want to check out what Jesus did to the fig tree that didn't have any fruit for him before continueing on this line of thought.wellreadwitch.com said:4. Jesus lived close to nature. Matthew 8:20; Mark 1:12-13; 3:13; Luke 4:42; John 18:1. Jesus took a vision quest in the wilderness; he loved to pray in the mountains, slept in gardens, and made a point of telling his followers that he had no house to live in. Frankly, it's hard to imagine him driving an SUV or worshiping in an air conditioned church. If Jesus were here today, I suspect he'd live in an ecologically sustainable intentional community, and he'd advocate a sacred duty to the Earth with the same zeal which which he advocated care for the poor and the downtrodden.
My prayer is never uncertain or timid. It is a respectful suplication but I have faith the size of a mustard seed. Wanna see me move a mountain? Magic on the other hand is quiet differant.wellreadwitch.com said:5. Jesus believed in magic. Matthew 7:7-11. Only he called it prayer. "How many of you, if your child asks for a fish, will give them a stone?" "If you ask for it in my name, it will be done." Church-goers often see magic as different from prayer, because prayer is timid and uncertain: "Not my will, but thine." By contrast, magic assumes that the Divine Spirit loves us and wants to bless us in accordance with our highest desires. When Jesus prayed, he prayed with confidence, not timidity. And he taught his followers to do the same. Nowadays, magic may have fancy window dressing (light this candle, recite this incantation, etc.) but it still comes down to the same thing: making a request for spiritual blessing. Jesus' vision of prayer is like Wicca's vision of magic: it's based on trust and love, unlike the prayer of church religion, which is based on fear, self-criticism and self-doubt.
Ummm... He's God. Hello! He created the earth and the weather. Equivicating him to a witch isn't only ludacris but is insulting.wellreadwitch.com said:6. Jesus could command the weather. Matthew 8:23-27. Witches have a long-standing reputation for being able to conjure up storms and otherwise control the weather. Jesus, like any accomplished weather-witch, possessed a similar set of skills. He did this both actively (like when he calmed the storm out in the Sea of Galilee) and indirectly (as he was dying, he caused darkness to reign in the middle of the day).
See comment above. Also note that his spirituality wasn't grounded in the elements but in the Father in heaven.wellreadwitch.com said:7. Jesus had a profound relationship with the elements. Matthew 14:22-26; Luke 3:16; Luke 8:22-25; John 9:6. Jesus could walk on water; he could command the wind; he baptized with fire, and he used the soil of the Earth to make healing pastes. His spirituality was primal and grounded in the power of the elements. Modern-day Christianity is abstract, sterile, and anti-septic -- it is a religion of books, words, and mental concepts. But Jesus, like most modern-day Wiccans, found vitality in the energies of the natural world.
Oh boy. Once again we go far afield hunting for what isn't there. Jesus did not "Conjure" anything. You show me where it says in scripture that he did. He was transfigured by the power of the Holy Spiritwellreadwitch.com said:8. Like a shaman, Jesus could channel spirits. Mark 9:2-8. One of the most profound stories in the Bible is that of the transfiguration, when Jesus conjured the spirits of Moses and Elijah. To his followers, this demonstrated Jesus' authority as a spiritual leader. Later on, Jesus tells his followers that they will do greater works than his (John 14:12); ironically, though, Christianity does not permit its followers to invoke or conjure spirits. But invocation of benevolent spirits has been a part of shamanic spirituality since the dawn of humankind, and modern-day Witches follow in this shamanistic tradition when they Draw Down the Moon and the Sun, calling the spirit of Goddess and God into their Circles.
The Christian cross is frequently inverted, too, yet Christians still use the upright cross and don't consider it evil just because Satanists invert it. Why's the pentacle a different case? I don't get it.Truth is the Pentacle was corrupted at a later time. Some used it for evil purposes, inverting it and honoring Satan.
If Lucifer isn't Satan, then who is he?Telrunya said:Lucifer is Satan. Satan is a term that means accuser or advesary. That is Lucifer.
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