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Witchcraft, is it evil?

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Wiccan soul

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christianity- thats your religion
wicca- the religion i am passionate about
you cannot judge people by your beliefs. No one in my family is christian or belives in god or satan so how is it possible to do anything evil and in satan's name when he is in no part what so ever in our religion. It is sad to think that some people are so small minded to think that they are the only good people in the world and that "witches" are evil. Wiccans believe mostly in the Goddess an sometimes the god (non christian). women and men are equal and we have the high priestess and the high priest, and if you read more in to it most of your religious holidays originated from the traditions of pagans and others religions linked to witchcraft such as christmas:samhain. Dont say that we are evil when we have done nothing to ever hurt you. After all which side killed hundreds of innocent people in the name of god? It makes you think who are the evil ones
 
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Okay. I define your God as an idol. Stop worshipping him. You have an old belief which is clearly fallacious. Until you can pray for world peace and it actually happens then I think it is a wrongful thing to practice and against the Eightfold Path of Buddhism.
 
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job24 said:
Thou Shalt not commit idolitry...witchcraft is an old belief that is clearly a fallacy. until you can cast a spell and it actually works then I believe it is a wrongful thing to practice and against the ten commandments.

Spells can and do work. :) Just like prayers can and do work.
 
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job24 said:
Thou Shalt not commit idolitry...witchcraft is an old belief that is clearly a fallacy. until you can cast a spell and it actually works then I believe it is a wrongful thing to practice and against the ten commandments.
While we're at it, let's outlaw prayer for the same reasons...

Besides, who are you to tell God what to do?
 
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Nathan Poe said:
While we're at it, let's outlaw prayer for the same reasons...
I know. Religions are just as magical as any other witchcraft. Sacraments, chants, healings, miracles, worship, on and on. If you believe those things do work, then they are probably coming from the same source that magic would come from. Some extra-world. Now, how is one magic wrong, and how is one magic right?

-edit- not that I believe in magic.
 
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People are free to believe whatever they want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. We should all be left alone to worship our own gods or godesses.

It is a shame that there are so many ignorant/loudmouthed people who hate somethign different because they 'think' it's "evil" and using arguments that are misinformed and flawed. I have many Christian friends, but there are times when I have to walk out of the room to stop from screaming in frustration at this closemindedness.

I don't mind that trait in people as long as they don't get the idea to suddenly ban alternative religions because they're "evil"!
 
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Rae said:
Sigh.

Here we go again. Let's see if anyone actually listens, or if they simply dismiss everything I say because even though I am a Pagan and have known Pagans all over this country for eleven years, I obviously don't know what members of MY OWN RELIGION do.

1. I know NO Pagans who sacrifice animals in the name of their Gods. It is, of course, possible that a few Pagans who (a) have farms and (b) eat the animals they raise dedicate them to the Gods before they kill them, but that's no more "animal sacrifice" than is kosher killing or a Christian prayer over a meal...

2. All Pagans have a moral code which would forbid them from "sacrificing" human beings. Therefore, if someone claims to be a Pagan and claims he/she sacrificed human beings...that person wasn't a Pagan.

3. If you make a claim like "all non-Christians worship Satan," you will get non-Christians very angry at you, because (a) from our points of view we naturally do no such thing and (b) that statement wasn't clarified. It is better to say, "As a Christian, I believe worship of anything but my particular Christian God is 'Satan worship,' therefore I would say any non-Christian theist is actually worshipping Satan," if of course you must say anything at all on this subject.

4. "Witchcraft" is not evil. Neither are kitchen knives or chairs evil. However, all of them can be used for evil, certainly.

5. Someday, the Christians I meet will all know this, so I won't have to say it over and over 50,000 times...and hopefully not have to fear that they'll murder me for not being a Christian.


Finally someone that can hopefully make people see the difference. Wiccans do NOT worship Satan. Harm ye none. :clap: Who are we to judge others?
 
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Myah said:
Spells can and do work. :) Just like prayers can and do work.
:rolleyes:


What fascinates me about this thread is what led Wiccan Soul to bump an 11 month old thread for a first post, rather than just start a new one. Were there no others discussing this topic that were more recent? How many of the participants in the original thread are still posting with regularity? Fascinating!
 
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Witchcraft isn't evil, and if ya'll stop watchin to much TV, ya'll would know. It can be used for evil, but you would receive back a karmatic reaction, so why hurt yourself 3x worse? About the bible, back then jews thought Jesus was a witch at one point. Why do you think they crucified him for? People were scared of him, and people thought he was a demon, and then his followers and other people knew the truth. But people like ya'll don't want to listen. So to stop being scared, get rid of the thing that scares them, and made them uncomfortable and thats what happened. So, instead of being fearful and a closed mind, you need to research why your scared, uncomfortable, or why do you think it's evil before we make the same mistake again.

and one thing i want to stress to people, REAL WITCHES DON"T BELIEVE NOR WORSHIP THE DEVIL!!!!!!!!! whatever you heard that from was a lie!

Also, the bible has been translated so many **** times, it may had lost some of it's meaning. If thats the case, all religions are wrong except christianity, which is not right. There's a reason why there's so many diverse religions here, and if you would have an open mind about it, it would be easier to understand why.

I might not made as much sense as I wanted to, but I hope ya'll got the point!
 
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First of all.....you all need to realize something. Wicca or WitchCraft is not evil in the sense that these people worship Satan. They do NOT. They do NOT recognize any evil deity what so ever. If they did, they wouldn't worship it either. I know from experience....I have studied the Occult and particularly Witchcraft. (by the way, I also had many years of IN DEPTH study of the Bible, although at one time I believed it was myth and just pagan rip off) I was a Witch for more than 20 years. But I am now a Christian and have been for quite some time. I am a theologist and have a masters in anthropology. WitchCraft in particular first captured my interest because it has taken this nation by storm. I was interested in WHAT is it about WitchCraft that lured these people into and away from Christ. Well, I found out cause I too was lured away. So I have studied it for more than 20+ years; I have been to MANY a ritual and ceremony, more probably than most Witches get on here and proclaim. I have had ran my own coven, lead rituals and performed ceremonies.I actually had the pleasure of meeting Raymond Buckland, the English author and Witch who first brought Wicca here to the United States and was the protogee' of Gerald Gardner who founded Wicca in the 1950's after many years of research in ancient religions as well. I have been to MANY pagan festivals, Starwood was a favorite. I was deeply, deeply involved and 'trapped'. I loved it. It was beautiful and it is beautiful but I have since realized that the beauty comes from Satan NOT God. So for those of you Wiccan's who get on here to criticize me....COOL IT. I am not one to bash you or judge you.....I have been there, I am still there. I am very deeply involved in the pagan community and respected as well. I can tell you that I have known many, many witches, have said the 'sinners prayer' with several....I have a group that meets and we discuss relgion, they discuss 'WitchCraft" and I listen and then compare notes. Then I discuss Christ and many have been saved. We jokingly call it 'witches annonymous';)
There are many factors that lead these people to WitchCraft. It is the fastest growing religion in world right now. Alot of them DID NOT grow up Wiccan...however LEFT THE CHURCH because of INTOLERANCE and WICKED ATTITUDES within the so called Christian circle. (I did, that was one big HUGE reason) This means that we as Christians need to take a look at what is going on in our own back yards, in our churches and ourselves and mind our attitudes because it US who are turning these people AWAY from Christ. Remember....Christ sat amongst the harlots, the murders, robbers and theives and when asked why He sat mingled with them did He not say (paraphrasing) "The sick are the ones who need healing"??? Come on people....WAKE UP!! You can not help these people by condeming them to Hell, a Hell that which we know is real but they do not because they have been so BLINDED by the Devil. He is doing his job and he is doing it well. You can only reach these people by understanding, compassion and an open heart and be willing to listen to them and understand where they are coming from. When you establish a rapport with them then they are more willing to listen the words of Jesus. Your lives are an example of what Jesus has to offer them and if you are criticizing them, condeming them you are pushing them away further and further from Christ and I don't just don't know how Christ will respond to that when our time comes to face him; that we pushed even those who didn't worship Him away because of our ignorance, intolerance and fear. I have witnessed to many of them. And many of them have either came to or returned to Christ. It can be done and it is our job as followers of Christ to see that it is done but not by condeming them or bashing them with Bible. You have to remember that somewhere in their lives they feel the 'church' has burned them in some sort of way. So when you encounter someone who says they are witch...do not turn up your nose and roll your eyes. Listen to what they have to say. Try to understand them as Christ would do. Try to understand why and what lead them to Wicca or WitchCraft and relate the message of Christ with them. Maybe it's not the time at the moment of meeting them; you have to understand they are on the defense already and EXPECT you to condem them, convert them so you SHOW by example of your lives the "magic" that Christ has done for you. Surely the 'magic' Christ has done for you has been FAR GREATER than any magics they (the witches) have ever known. We have to learn to see the beauty in others religions.....that is not to say we need to accept it as our own but we need to understand it, appreciate their sense of worship and the important thing we need to recognize is that they REALLY REALLY WANT to worship something.....THEY ARE REACHING OUT just happens that they have been fooled and tricked by the devil..

"The Greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"...."Verbal Kint".....(a Kevin Spacey Charachter from Usual Suspects)

In this religion the Devil doesn't exist. At least they don't believe he does but in that belief IS his very existence.
For those of you that don't know.....

WitchCraft/Wicca......is a nature based religion. The belief in deity is both male and female. Some believe that God is one being with both male and female energies (think yin and yang....which isn't far from the truth since we were made in his image) some believe in animism which is not unlike the Native American's where they attribute a spirit to everything....(as we attribute a spirit to Christmas for example) fire has a spirit, spirits of the wind, spirit of the rain, the thunder and so forth.....they believe the earth is sacred (which it is because God, YHWH made it) and they recognize it as a female because it brings forth life as does the female woman. They see the similarities within the world around them and there are many....this can not be argued but they just don't realize that God made it that way.
They follow the seasonal cycles of earth, the sun pattern of the year....they go by something called 'The wheel of the year" .....it's based on the actual sun pattern that surrounds our universe. They have love for every living thing and consider everything sacred. I still consider everything sacred for God made it and everything that God creates IS sacred.
In General....they do NOT practice BLACK MAGIC or evil magic.....they do however practice 'magic' which to me is nothing more than prayer but with use of 'props'.....sometimes I myself have a special prayer when things get rough I light a candle and when I get frustrated I look to that burning candle and I remember that God is listening and He will take care of me. But the 'evil' they are doing is in their ignorance that they don't see that anything that takes credit away from God himself is wrong. It's NOT their FAULT.....you must remember, You Good and Godly Christian people who love and follow Jesus that the Devil is POWERFUL and he does have a powerful hold of these people who would otherwise worship and LOVE the LORD with all their hearts IF they hadn't been so misled.
So we need to get ourselves in CHECK as well. It's not just them. We had a part in driving them to WitchCraft in the first place and away from the Lord by our judgmental attitudes and ignorance. It's time we rectify that, take notice and reconize that these are GOOD people who are just LOST.(I was soooooo lost and I was reaching out but there was nothing there in my reaching) We MUST show them that whatever experiences they previously had in the church that were negative IS not the ways of Christ. We must show them the LOVE, and COMPASSION and TOLERANCE, PEACE and UNDERSTANDING that Christ would show them. IF we are truly followers of Christ than this is our duty to them and to Him. They are LOVED by Him as well, they are his LOST SHEEP, we must get them back!!

I look at Wicca as this shining and glittering road.....it's so full of wonder, sparkle and fairies and everything mystical that captures the imagination....but at the end of that road is NOTHING but emptiness. Christianity is a HARD road to walk along. It is not 'carefree' and toss everything to the wind and whatever may come may come attitude. We have to work hard at being a Christian because the Devil makes so EASY for us to just turn away. Any true Christian knows this that it is a hard road to walk but with Christ by our sides we will make it to end of our journey. We know the road is not all glittery and full of all sorts of magic and what not's but what is at the end of our journey is something NO amount of MAGIC could ever give.

With that I hope someone somewhere learned a little more.
In Jesus' LOVE
 
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joebudda said:
This I find amusing when Christianity has adopted a lot of Paganism.

It is quite scary the way people condemn what they have little knowledge of.
And I find it particularly amusing that the Romans considered the early Christians as Pagan's.

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WitchCraft/Wicca......is a nature based religion...... yadda yadda.......They have love for every living thing and consider everything sacred
And you are saying that this is what satan wants them to do??

I think christians picked the wrong guy to worship...
 
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P4g4nite said:
And you are saying that this is what satan wants them to do??

That is EXACTLY what I am saying. I didn't mince my words a bit. And if you are atheist, why do you even care one way or the other? Is it that big ego you have that gets the best of you and you just feel you have to have something to say? Well, then say something worthwhile rather than say that Christians picked the wrong guy to worship or whatever.

And to answer your question even further.....If Satan arrived at your door looking the way we percieve him to look like, or draw him or whatever.....then it's hardly unlikely that you would let him in your door. Now he comes as a beautiful woman (if your a man) a gorgeous (if your a woman) and is non-threatening and very loving and sweet and all that good stuff umm, yeah, your more than likely to talk to him that way. In the same way, Satan has Wiccan's believe that it's perfectly alright to honor nature and all it's splendor BECAUSE....pay attention here......they are NOT honoring GOD and that is all that matters to Satan!! It amazes me that alot of people think that Satan is only capable of making people do bad and awful things. His goal is to get us AWAY from GOD and it doesn't matter HOW he does it, whether he uses the 'good, the loving, the beauty in all things" or 'murdering, black magic and whatever"....JUST AS LONG AS HE DOES IT. But then a Christian heart would understand that. Maybe you should pray about that. I have walked both sides of the fence, I have been there, I have seen what it does to the heart and mind. And at least I can say that pagan people DO have a sense of spirituality which is a good thing. Jesus Loves and endures.

I think christians picked the wrong guy to worship...
And who is it exactly do you think they should pick to worship?
 
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