willing to change...

[Endure2]

my church is renovating the way weve always done things...
doing away with a the night service temporarilly, and maybe permanently. doing away with some of the smaller class settings it had and other things.
all for very good reasons.
i know it may seem bad, but if you knew the whole situation and the things were doing to make up for what were not doing anymore youd understand..hopefully.

but alot of people arent up for the change... ive seen it bring sadness to some, and rebellion to others.

does anyone know how to relate?
i think the only thing that keeps us relevant, powerful, and real, and effective, is our ability to change and adapt to any and every situation.

people who at one time seemed commited to the pastor and the pastors vision now seem to think they know better than him, becuase the changes hes making are no longer "convenient" or pleasurable to THEM.

and i know that some wont follow us where we are going, and its hard to come out and say, but i know that in the end it will mean us having to go on, and leave some people behind. not becuase we dont care for them, but becuase they refuse to be a part where of we are needing to go with God.

our church is going to the next level, and in order to do that, we must change the way weve done things. or the church wont hold up... at that next level, it will crumble under the added pressure... unless we change to prepare.

i really do, still believe were called to save the masses...
i mean its ok for some churchs see only 1 or 2 people give their hearts to God a week or a month...
but not for a church that has been running for more than 20 years like ours.
it just isnt enough and its not doing what were called to do.
we regularly see 10, 15, 20 people get saved on a sunday morning.
and some churches blow that away even...
but were are wanting to go the next level and do more than we have ever done for God and see more souls won for the lost than we ever have before.
even though we already see 10s of 1000s of people come to christ through our ministries.
but we want to do more! HEAVON FULL AND HELL EMPTY!

but we must change... becuase times change and things change.
and you can flow with the waves, or they can wreck you on the shores of life.
and we must adapt, in order to go higher, rise to a greater discipline, and greater vision.

im sorry, i didnt mean to preach or say all that...
but alot is changing... and people arent all happy with it.
and these are the christians im talking about.

anyone ever experienced this?

i mean what happened to trusting in the man of God, no matter what?
like the isrealites trusted moses, no matter what?
what ever happened to us knowing our pastor was sent from God and he knows best?
i mean im Glad that i have men in my life that if they disagree with me... its becuase im WRONG! and i dare not question... not becuase of WHO they are, but becuase of what i know they know... and the reasons that qualify them to have such a place in my life.

im thankful for men like mark mobely, and jentzen franklin and calvin atkins and troy bell and oscar jones...
and i know... if those men say im wrong, then i am wrong.
and id follow them anywhere... becuase i know that i know that i know that they know and hear from God. they are prophets in my life, sent from God. and i am nobody... and will sit and listen and not say a word, until my day comes... but it is not my day.

 

[The Julikenz]

hey man, i just want to encourage u. I agre with you about alot of wat u sed.. but i may have misunderstood some, so instead of picking apart mans word, ill give you the perfect word of God instead:
You sed that u used to have a lot of ppl coming to Jesus, thats great, Praise the Lord, but as it is written: "no-one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws them" John 6:44, Donot be discouraged!!!
Jesus talks alot about His parables, one of them is the sheep, He says in John 10 about how His sheep hear Him and follow His voice. those who are the true Believers in your church will listen to Jesus (John 8:47), and if God is truely calling this church to change, it will happen, and alot faster if u all submit to His will. John 5:30 and remeber you cannot do any thing in your own power (1Corinthians 2:5-7) Godbless luv, jazel

 

[The Julikenz]

also man, something else i jus noticed, You need to listen to God, and Follow Him wherever, Let Him be Lord of ur life, as it is written 1Corinthians 1:25, 2 Corinthians 2:5) which is: "That your faith should not ben the wisdom of men, but in the power ofGod" NKJV

 

[Blessed-one]

yeah.. but know that God is in complete control.

at my church some years back, our lead pastor proposed an idea so radical that the church couldn't accept it. At the end, the pastor left and started his own church. What happened afterwards? well, his church grew to become quite large (in so short a time), and he's already doing more church planting. As for us, we're still experiencing growth though we did not take his suggestion. We're currently expanding into mandarin service (already have cantonese and english) and are planting another church in the outer fringe of the suburbs.

 

[Endure2]

JuLikeNz_555

thanks for your reply.
amen! it will happen.

ohh, i understand that God is the Lord of my life, but those are the men God has put over my life and placed in my life to lead me.
there are no such thing as lone rangers for God. the bible says that a wise son will heed the words of his father and mother.

i know and trust that these men hear from God, and if they say something i trust them.
though i do pray for myself and such and God will quicken it to me if they are off, but that is an exception that is few and far between.
and not worth worrying about, becuase if it happens God will let me know at that time. and i focus on discerning whether or not my pastors are wrong, then ill never begin to trust them like i should, and like i should be able to since God put them in my life.

but i know from experience that if these men do venture to speak something, if is becuase they know why their saying it.
and their honest enough to make it known, of there is a possibility of them maybe being a little off.
it isnt mans wisdom, it it isnt me serving man instead of God.
we all need men or women of God in our lives that we are accountable to and we know, know what they speak about.
or else we are on our own with God.
and that isnt how God set it up.