Willful Sin

[startrekfan1]

Hey there again yall,

I found this particular subject online and I wanted to discuss this with you.

Hebrews 10:26-27 talks about willful sin. It says that if we sin willfully after obtaining the knowledge of Jesus Christ, there remains no more sacrifice for sins and we are to wait for fearful judgment.

But isn't all sin willful? Don't we fall back into sin from time to time? Does this passage mean that if we sin once, we are doomed forever?

Can anyone shine some light on this subject?

I fear that I have done this from time to time. I know that I have OCD, but this should fear even a right-minded Christian.

 

[Bryan Cotton]

But isn't all sin willful? Don't we fall back into sin from time to time? Does this passage mean that if we sin once, we are doomed forever?

Not all sin is willful according to the greek definition of willful. I think this refers to sinning as a practice.

Like if you know you are not suppose to get drunk, but every Friday it's your custom to get drunk with the boys (or girls.) Doing this with no repentance or guilt or no struggle as far as "it's wrong, I'm not going to do this," I think that's what this means.

Theres also sins you commit that you don't even realize you're committing.

The greek definition:

[SIZE=+1]eJkousivwß [/SIZE]Hekousios (hek-oo-see'-ose);
Word Origin: Greek, Adverb, Strong #: 1596

1. voluntarily, willingly, of one's own accord
   1. to sin wilfully as opposed to sins committed inconsiderately, and from ignorance or from weakness

 

[Giver]

Hey there again yall,

I found this particular subject online and I wanted to discuss this with you.

Hebrews 10:26-27 talks about willful sin. It says that if we sin willfully after obtaining the knowledge of Jesus Christ, there remains no more sacrifice for sins and we are to wait for fearful judgment.

But isn't all sin willful? Don't we fall back into sin from time to time? Does this passage mean that if we sin once, we are doomed forever?

Can anyone shine some light on this subject?

I fear that I have done this from time to time. I know that I have OCD, but this should fear even a right-minded Christian.

(Acts 5:1-11) “There was another man, however, called Ananias. He and his wife, Sapphira, agreed to sell a property; but with his wife’s connivance he kept back part of the proceeds, and brought the rest and presented it to the apostles. Ananias, Peter said ‘now can Satan have so possessed you that you should lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the money from the land? While you still owned the land, wasn’t it yours to keep, and after you had sold it wasn’t the money yours to do with as you liked? What put this scheme into your mind? It is not to men that you have lied, but to God. When he heard this Ananias fell down dead. This made a profound impression on everyone present. The younger men got up, wrapped the body in a sheet, carried it out and buried it.

About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had taken place. Peter challenged her, ‘Tell me was this the price you sold the land for? ‘Yes,’ she said ‘that was the price.’ Peter then said, ‘So you and your husband have agreed to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test! What made you do it? You hear those footsteps? They have just been to bury your husband; they will carry you out, too.’ Instantly she dropped dead at his feet. When the young men came in they found she was dead, and they carried her out and buried her by the side of her husband. This made a profound impression on the whole Church and on all who heard it.


(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people? “

There is a matter of maturity and truly knowing God.

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”​

​

(1 John 3: 3 - 9) “Surely everyone who entertains this hope must purify himself, must try to be as pure as Christ. Any one who sins at all breaks the law, because to sin is to break the law. Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him. My children do not let anyone lead you astray; to live a holy life is to be holy just as He is holy; to lead a sinful life is to belong to the Devil, since the Devil was a sinner from the beginning. It was to undo all that the Devil has done that the Son of God appeared. No one who has been begotten by God sins: because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

 

[stelow]

.

 

[Kutte]

I wouldn't worry much about being a sinner and sinning. After all, it's not my fault but the fault of Adam and Eve. Even King David recognized this when he lamented:
"I was born a sinner, yes, from the moment my mother conceived me." Psalms 51:5

After all, a baby can't be blamed for certain birth defects.

Kutte

 

[RobertZ]

I wouldn't worry much about being a sinner and sinning. After all, it's not my fault but the fault of Adam and Eve. Even King David recognized this when he lamented:
"I was born a sinner, yes, from the moment my mother conceived me." Psalms 51:5

After all, a baby can't be blamed for certain birth defects.

Kutte

You better be worried about it because the state of your eternal soul is at stake. Yes we were all born sinners but God will not make an exception for this state which is why you must be covered by the Blood of Jesus.

 

[RobertZ]

Having trusted in Christ Jesus alone as Savior, no more sacrifice for sins is required, so continuing to perform sacrifices under the Mosaic Law amounts to insulting God with willful sin by denying Christ's all sufficient sacrifice.

Exactly I have seen many people misinterpret this scripture and use it to suggest that Christ Blood isnt enough to cover their sins. This isnt what this scripture is suggesting at all.


Any sin that can genuinly be repented of can certainly be forgiven. But to genuinly repent you must have a change of mind about your sin, you cant confess it and then commit it again the next day and then confess it again and expect God to keep forgiving you.

 

[cowboysfan1970]

Maybe the biggest reason that we sin is because of our inability to always withstand temptations. We can withstand it some of the time but there are times when it gets the best of us. Where we are lucky is that it isn't sin that sends us to hell but lack of belief. If sin sent us to hell then we all have no hope. There are legalists on these boards that will lecture and shake their finger at anyone that doesn't have the same level of fanatical and zealous dedication to following the Law to the letter but their doctrines are more full of holes than a block of Lorraine Swiss cheese.

 

[1whirlwind]

Hey there again yall,

I found this particular subject online and I wanted to discuss this with you.

Hebrews 10:26-27 talks about willful sin. It says that if we sin willfully after obtaining the knowledge of Jesus Christ, there remains no more sacrifice for sins and we are to wait for fearful judgment.

But isn't all sin willful? Don't we fall back into sin from time to time? Does this passage mean that if we sin once, we are doomed forever?

Can anyone shine some light on this subject?

I fear that I have done this from time to time. I know that I have OCD, but this should fear even a right-minded Christian.

I believe it means......All sin isn't wilful. But, if one does wilfully, purposefully go out and sin, it doesn't mean you are doomed forever. It means your sin isn't covered by His sacrifice and it will be written in the book....not blotted out. You will face the same "fiery indignation" that our adversaries face.

 

[RobertZ]

You will face the same "fiery indignation" that our adversaries face.

How would you face the same fiery indignation that our adversaries face unless you suffered a loss of your salvation?

 

[1whirlwind]

How would you face the same fiery indignation that our adversaries face unless you suffered a loss of your salvation?

I don't know. I don't know if wilful sinning causes a loss of salvation or not. To me, it doesn't appear to...or perhaps it depends upon the judgement. I feel that when our old man has truly died that we will not wilfully sin again. It doesn't seem to me that if we have Him in us that wilful sinning would ever again be part of our lives. I just don't know.

Hebrews 10:29-30 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith He was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know Him that hath said, "Vengeance belongeth unto Me, I will recompense, saith the LORD." And again, "The LORD shall judge His people."

 

[RobertZ]

I feel that when our old man has truly died that we will not wilfully sin again. It doesn't seem to me that if we have Him in us that wilful sinning would ever again be part of our lives. I just don't know.

I agree with this, I was addicted to porn for over 10yrs and those chains were broken completely when I confessed and asked Jesus to save me.

I realized I had never truly been saved because of the way that I was living and the burden was killing me, when I confessed my sins to God and asked Jesus into my heart my addiction to porn was broken immediately.

I tried for many years to stop looking at it and always wound up flat on my face, when Jesus moved into my heart the addiction was broken right away. Many pastors have tried to tell me that I would not be able to stop immediately but they were wrong, the mere thought of looking at it makes me sick.


For some new christians the patterns of willfull sinning are broken right away and for others it takes time.

 

[1whirlwind]

I agree with this, I was addicted to porn for over 10yrs and those chains were broken completely when I confessed and asked Jesus to save me.

I realized I had never truly been saved because of the way that I was living and the burden was killing me, when I confessed my sins to God and asked Jesus into my heart my addiction to porn was broken immediately.

I tried for many years to stop looking at it and always wound up flat on my face, when Jesus moved into my heart the addiction was broken right away. Many pastors have tried to tell me that I would not be able to stop immediately but they were wrong, the mere thought of looking at it makes me sick.


For some new christians the patterns of willfull sinning are broken right away and for others it takes time.

 

[JSnell]

.

 

[RobertZ]

So you found salvation finally?

I think salvation found me last November, I have just been really confused and did not understand what had happened to me.

 

[startrekfan1]

I believe it means......All sin isn't wilful. But, if one does wilfully, purposefully go out and sin, it doesn't mean you are doomed forever. It means your sin isn't covered by His sacrifice and it will be written in the book....not blotted out. You will face the same "fiery indignation" that our adversaries face.

Doesn't that mean that we would go to hell? Isn't that what the "fiery indignation" means?

 

[startrekfan1]

Maybe the biggest reason that we sin is because of our inability to always withstand temptations. We can withstand it some of the time but there are times when it gets the best of us. Where we are lucky is that it isn't sin that sends us to hell but lack of belief. If sin sent us to hell then we all have no hope. There are legalists on these boards that will lecture and shake their finger at anyone that doesn't have the same level of fanatical and zealous dedication to following the Law to the letter but their doctrines are more full of holes than a block of Lorraine Swiss cheese.

Ha. That's true. Ive seen the type. But still, this passage fills me with worry. I can't help but think that there is no hope for me.

 

[startrekfan1]

I agree with this, I was addicted to porn for over 10yrs and those chains were broken completely when I confessed and asked Jesus to save me.

I realized I had never truly been saved because of the way that I was living and the burden was killing me, when I confessed my sins to God and asked Jesus into my heart my addiction to porn was broken immediately.

I tried for many years to stop looking at it and always wound up flat on my face, when Jesus moved into my heart the addiction was broken right away. Many pastors have tried to tell me that I would not be able to stop immediately but they were wrong, the mere thought of looking at it makes me sick.

For some new christians the patterns of willfull sinning are broken right away and for others it takes time.

I also have had a problem with porn. I have just NOW realized how harmful it is to my psyche. I was baptized over 2 years ago, and even to this day I have had a problem with it. I still think that even after ALL OF THAT, God has still forgiven me of my sins. I just want to be sure is all.

 

[Kutte]

RobertZ wrote:

You better be worried about it because the state of your eternal soul is at stake. Yes we were all born sinners but God will not make an exception for this state which is why you must be covered by the Blood of Jesus.

Response:
Robert, where does in say that I must be covered by blood to get rid of an inhereted decease called "sin"? In any case, I am innocent of having this decease in the first place.

God bless, Kutte

 

[RobertZ]

RobertZ wrote:

You better be worried about it because the state of your eternal soul is at stake. Yes we were all born sinners but God will not make an exception for this state which is why you must be covered by the Blood of Jesus.

Response:
Robert, where does in say that I must be covered by blood to get rid of an inhereted decease called "sin"? In any case, I am innocent of having this decease in the first place.

God bless, Kutte

Read the Gospels for your answere, the book of John is a great place to start.

Let me ask you something, are you saved? regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God? Its true that while you are still on earth you will never be completely free from sin. However God provided a way of escape from the penalty of sin which is death through his Sons shed blood on the cross for you.

A person absolutely must be born again to enter the kingdom of God and once a person is born again all that God see's in that person is his sons precious blood.


Justification is immediate, this is when Christ righteousness is imputed to you to cover your sins. Then we go through Sanctification where you grow to be more and more like Christ throughout your earthly life and finally we are glorified when we leave this earth and see Jesus just as he is.