Will You Obey and Submit?

[TibiLy]

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you,
and submit yourselves:
for they watch for your souls,
as they that must give account,
that they may do it with joy,
and not with grief:
for that is unprofitable for you.


What do you have to say to this,
that is written in the book of Hebrews
concerning you? If I had rule over you
would you obey me and submit yourselves to it?
Or would you rebel and not live by this
written in the book of Hebrews
as you are commanded by it?

 

[Unqualified]

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you,
and submit yourselves:
for they watch for your souls,
as they that must give account,
that they may do it with joy,
and not with grief:
for that is unprofitable for you.


What do you have to say to this,
that is written in the book of Hebrews
concerning you? If I had rule over you
would you obey me and submit yourselves to it?
Or would you rebel and not live by this
written in the book of Hebrews
as you are commanded by it?

its a guideline it is helpful for you and them to obey the pastors and rulers if you can find a good one

 

[TibiLy]

its a guideline it is helpful for you and them to obey the pastors and rulers if you can find a good one

Do you have a pastor that rules over you and is accountable for you to the Lord? Yes or no?
If you do not answer with a yes I will assume it is a NO.
If not then why not?

 

[sandman]

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you,
and submit yourselves:
for they watch for your souls,
as they that must give account,
that they may do it with joy,
and not with grief:
for that is unprofitable for you.


What do you have to say to this,
that is written in the book of Hebrews
concerning you? If I had rule over you
would you obey me and submit yourselves to it?
Or would you rebel and not live by this
written in the book of Hebrews
as you are commanded by it?

This is in the context of leadership.

Hebrews is addressed to born again believers….. but those who have never walked in the freedom of the new birth……. those who are still zealous for the law. So it’s not a command to us, but it is for our insight and learning …although I think 1Pe 5:2 &3 gives us better insight of leadership Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
The books of Timmy and Titus expand on leadership for the Church of God

The heart of following leadership is…. leadership that would be following the principles that Jesus Christ taught of love and service to all they are responsible for. Submitting is trust…. it’s loving obedience to someone who is walking by the spirit of God.

You statement regarding rule over and submit doesn’t reflect that of love ....it reflects that of an overlord. And someone like that would walk away in a heartbeat.

 

[Unqualified]

Do you have a pastor that rules over you and is accountable for you to the Lord? Yes or no?
If you do not answer with a yes I will assume it is a NO.
If not then why not?

kids, kids. Yes in most things concerning church. I serve under him.

 

[Unqualified]

This is in the context of leadership.

Hebrews is addressed to born again believers….. but those who have never walked in the freedom of the new birth……. those who are still zealous for the law. So it’s not a command to us, but it is for our insight and learning …although I think 1Pe 5:2 &3 gives us better insight of leadership Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
The books of Timmy and Titus expand on leadership for the Church of God

The heart of following leadership is…. leadership that would be following the principles that Jesus Christ taught of love and service to all they are responsible for. Submitting is trust…. it’s loving obedience to someone who is walking by the spirit of God.

You statement regarding rule over and submit doesn’t reflect that of love ....it reflects that of an overlord. And someone like that would walk away in a heartbeat.

i think the word obey in Greek has some positive connotations that would involve love. But the whole scripture says to obey, etc for the leaders joy and ease of ruling which you can only do for a person out of love for them.

 

[TibiLy]

kids, kids. Yes in most things concerning church. I serve under him.

To what degree is he responsible to God for your soul? What do you believe?

 

[TibiLy]

i think the word obey in Greek has some positive connotations that would involve love. But the whole scripture says to obey, etc for the leaders joy and ease of ruling which you can only do for a person out of love for them.

What does the word, obey, mean in God?

 

[TibiLy]

This is in the context of leadership.

No, it is in the context of obeying and submitting.

 

[Blade]

Its obey your leaders and submit to them. It was written to local Church leadership. Its those who are leading us as in believers. So yes if YOU were in our Church and you were put over us in some leadership role.

Someone already answered it you just don't agree yet that is exactly what it means.

 

[TibiLy]

Its obey your leaders and submit to them. It was written to local Church leadership. Its those who are leading us as in believers. So yes if YOU were in our Church and you were put over us in some leadership role.

Someone already answered it you just don't agree yet that is exactly what it means.

To what degree is he your pastor, responsible to God for your soul? What do you believe?

 

[Unqualified]

To what degree is he responsible to God for your soul? What do you believe?

He can only teach and feed the sheep And discipline. Sheep have to choose to follow and believe him, if you like his teaching.

 

[TibiLy]

He can only teach and feed the sheep And discipline. Sheep have to choose to follow and believe him, if you like his teaching.

Do you believe that if a member of the congregation, who
refuses to obey and submit themselves to the authority
of the pastor, that God has placed to rule over them, has the power and authority
from God, to do this to them in return for their disobedience?

1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Timothy 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Yes or no?

 

[Unqualified]

What does the word, obey, mean in God?

I don’t know. At my church where I have grown and grown, we don’t have an authoritarian pastor. My pastor prays and let’s the spirit work through his teaching. He doesn’t try to control everything. He leaves individual ministries up to us as the spirit leads. We don’t have programs to increase attendance or get new people. We are in prayer for those things. We have outreaches that need to be manned like the food ministry for opportunities to serve. That government is best which governs least. Volunteering not copping out.

 

[Unqualified]

Do you believe that if a member of the congregation, who
refuses to obey and submit themselves to the authority
of the pastor, that God has placed to rule over them, has the power and authority
from God, to do this to them in return for their disobedience?

1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Timothy 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Yes or no?

No. And if he does you have the power to leave if you are not under your parents. Maybe try a little something to get some ministry experience.

 

[Unqualified]

Do you believe that if a member of the congregation, who
refuses to obey and submit themselves to the authority
of the pastor, that God has placed to rule over them, has the power and authority
from God, to do this to them in return for their disobedience?

1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Timothy 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Yes or no?

only if they don’t obey christ and cause much harm.

 

[sandman]

No, it is in the context of obeying and submitting.

Yes ...................to who?

The Aramaic Peshitta offers a little better translation than KJ.

Hebrews 13:17 - Listen to your spiritual leaders and obey them: for they are watchful guardians of your souls, as one who must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Hebrews 13:18 - Pray ye for us; for we trust we have a good consciousness, that in all things we desire to conduct ourselves well.

Hebrews 13:19 - Especially do I request you to do this, that I may return to you speedily.

Hebrews 13:20 - May the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the flock, by the blood of the everlasting covenant, namely Jesus the Messiah, our Lord,

Hebrews 13:21 - Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in us that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you,
and submit yourselves:
for they watch for your souls,
as they that must give account,
that they may do it with joy,
and not with grief:
for that is unprofitable for you.


What do you have to say to this,
that is written in the book of Hebrews
concerning you? If I had rule over you
would you obey me and submit yourselves to it?
Or would you rebel and not live by this
written in the book of Hebrews
as you are commanded by it?

Context, context, context.....The Word of God is the RULER.

Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

10 We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat. 11 For the bodies of those animals, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned outside the camp. 12 Therefore Jesus also, that He might [c]sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate. 13 Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach. 14 For here we have no continuing city, but we seek the one to come. 15 Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, [d]giving thanks to His name. 16 But do not forget to do good and to share, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

 

[TibiLy]

only if they don’t obey christ and cause much harm.

Context, context, context.....The Word of God is the RULER.

Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

10 We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat. 11 For the bodies of those animals, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned outside the camp. 12 Therefore Jesus also, that He might [c]sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate. 13 Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach. 14 For here we have no continuing city, but we seek the one to come. 15 Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, [d]giving thanks to His name. 16 But do not forget to do good and to share, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

Do you believe that if a member of the congregation, who
refuses to obey and submit themselves to the authority
of the pastor, that God has placed to rule over them, has the power and authority
from God, to do this to them in return for their disobedience?
1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Timothy 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Yes or no?

 

[TibiLy]

Context, context, context.....The Word of God is the RULER.

Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

10 We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat. 11 For the bodies of those animals, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned outside the camp. 12 Therefore Jesus also, that He might [c]sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate. 13 Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach. 14 For here we have no continuing city, but we seek the one to come. 15 Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, [d]giving thanks to His name. 16 But do not forget to do good and to share, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

Do you believe that if a member of the congregation, who
refuses to obey and submit themselves to the authority
of the pastor, that God has placed to rule over them, has the power and authority
from God, to do this to them in return for their disobedience?
1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Timothy 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Yes or no?