Will They Stay In Hell Forever!!!!!

[veraxacis]

The question comes up every once and a while weather or not hell will be eternal for the dammed. Everyone on every level differs in their opinions concerning this topic and it has been disused in depth through out the ages. Hell is eternal trash can. Hell is punishment eventually leading to salvation. Hell doesn’t exist at all and if one does not find the path to life they will simply cease to exist. The bible at first glance seems to suggest at lest some remain there for all time. But believing GOD to be all loving many of us are disposed to believe GOD will eventually let them out. Me personally, I would like to believe everyone (even the devil) will eventually rise to heaven. I would even like to believe we all just go to sleep and fade out of existence giving the fact that sleep is one of my favorite past times. But the reality that I see around me forces me to question those optimistic ideas. There are three observations that stand out and I will list them.

1. People stay in hell because they want to. I have a lot of experience in the ghettos of St Louis. I don’t know how many times I have heard “I’m living in hell. This is hell around here dog…” That very person who made the comment had a wad of cash in his pocket equaling more than 3000 dollars. More than enough to leave the urban hell he lived in. Yes he might consider it hell but he remains there because he wants to. The arm of the law is week there. He revels in the pride of being a gangster. Although at any given time one might be robbed, raped, assaulted and killed. Although the building literally look war torn and trash literally covers the ground he has made zero effort to leave. And although he may not love those around him he prefers their company to people he considers squares.

2. People stay in hell because the don’t believe they can escape. Abusive relationships are perfect examples of this. Although we know it is very possible to escape these relationships people remain in them because for one reason or another they don’t believe they can leave.

3. People stay in hell because of attitude. The common image of hell is tormented people crying up to heaven “we are sorry.” But looking at examples in this life I doubt they are sorry at all. Prison population is a good example. A great majority of people who go to prison and are let out, return for the same crimes. True they might be sorry they are in prison but not sorry at all for their crimes. They hate the law and those that enforce it. Although prison is a very real hell where one is raped and assaulted on a constant basis, it does not scare them. They are not sorry in or out. There for in my opinion. If the life here after is anything like this one. People will remain in hell willingly for all eternity. Even if the possibility of escape is a real reality.

Jesus said “there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” And they will probably occur in that order. After he is finished weeping for himself in the fire he will gnash his teeth in hatred. The charred arm of the dammed will then reach out of the flames with blackened middle finer in erect defiance of heaven smiling wickedly as his gums boil.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Hell is forever friend. If you don't believe that, you don't believe the bible. I encourage you to read this...

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED, into EVERLASTING FIRE..."
(Matthew 25:41)

"...for their WORM shall not die, neither shall their FIRE be quenched..."
(Isaiah 66:24)

" HELL and DESTRUCTION are NEVER FULL; so the eyes of man are never satisfied."
(Proverb 27:20)

"Who shall be PUNISHED with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord..."
(2 Thessalonians 1:9)

"Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved THE BLACKNESS OF DARKNESS FOREVER."
(Jude 1:13)

"And the smoke of THEIR TORMENT ascendeth up FOR EVER AND EVER: and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT..."
(Revelation 14:11)

 

[veraxacis]

Hell is forever friend. If you don't believe that, you don't believe the bible. I encourage you to read this...

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED, into EVERLASTING FIRE..."
(Matthew 25:41)

"...for their WORM shall not die, neither shall their FIRE be quenched..."
(Isaiah 66:24)

" HELL and DESTRUCTION are NEVER FULL; so the eyes of man are never satisfied."
(Proverb 27:20)

"Who shall be PUNISHED with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord..."
(2 Thessalonians 1:9)

"Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved THE BLACKNESS OF DARKNESS FOREVER."
(Jude 1:13)

"And the smoke of THEIR TORMENT ascendeth up FOR EVER AND EVER: and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT..."
(Revelation 14:11)

I'm sorry.....This is my fault. My question was not as acurate as I intended.
As I stated above I do believe hell is forever to some if not all. My question really is this.

WHY DO YOU THINK THEY REMAIN IN HELL? DO YOU THINK THAT ITS GOD PROACTIVLY KEEPING THEM THERE EVEN IF THEY ARE SORRY OR DO YOU THINK THEY ARE SIMPLY NEVER SORRY AND GROW MORE AND MORE WICKED AND EVIL IN HELL?

As I stated above, I have noticed some men get worse after the prison experience. Could this be the same in hell?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I think they will continue to reject the truth in hell.

 

[Peaceful Dove]

There is a wide open door into hell but there simply is not a door to allow one out.Once there it is for all eternity and eternity is a long long time.God does not send us there. We send ourselves there.We do it on purpose, with full knowledge and with a free will. It is our choices.

 

[Jipsah]

Hell is forever friend. If you don't believe that, you don't believe the bible.

I always admire the folks who say "If you don't believe whatever it is that I believe then you don't believe the Bible". Interestingly enough I've found a great many Jehovah's Witnesses, United Pentecostalists, and other heterodox groups whose members say precisely that same thing.

But to take a page from my Baptist brethren, I'll simply say that my Bible says:

John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Note that our Lord says "perish", as in "die, and not "live forever under constant torture". Reckon He just misspoke Himself? If so, then He did it again. Lookee here:

Matthew 10
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Do what to body and soul in hell? Torture them constantly day and night forever? No, destroy them.

See what our Savior said in Matthew 13

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

He compares the end of "them which do iniquity" to that of weeds that are burned. The fire may burn forever, but the weeds don't last that long, do they? They're consumed by the fire.

Of course, the plainest and most telling refutation of eternal torture comes from Saint Paul, who tells us that:

Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Those who believe in eternal torture simply don't believe that verse. They believe that the wages of sin is eternal life - eternal life under torture. Paul tells us differently, that sin results in death. Of course, that agrees precisely with what our Lord has told us in the verses I've just cited.

We learn the same from the Old Testament:

Ezekiel 18
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him.

Unfortunately, those who believe in eternal torture simply say "No!" to those Scriptures, and try to use others to refute them. For example:

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED, into EVERLASTING FIRE

As though it was the sinner that was everlasting rather than the fire.

.for their WORM shall not die, neither shall their FIRE be quenched...

Same again. They believe that since hell is eternal that the sinner must be as well, even though the Bible clearly states otherwise.

HELL and DESTRUCTION are NEVER FULL; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

I'm not sure how this one is supposed to support the idea of eternal torture at all, since it says nothing at all to that purpose.

Who shall be PUNISHED with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord.

As opposed to temporary destruction? This doesn't really seem to be one that they ought to cite, since it speaks of the destruction of sinners, and not everlasting torment.

Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved THE BLACKNESS OF DARKNESS FOREVER.

Reaching, i think...

And the smoke of THEIR TORMENT ascendeth up FOR EVER AND EVER: and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT.

This one comes closest to serving their purpose, but again, it speaks of smoke rising forever, and that those in hell are tormented day and night, but it requires a bit of presupposition to connect the two and make the torment last forever. Then it flies directly in the face of the Scriptures that plainly state that the result of sin is death, and that the soul that sins will die.

 

[dennis777]

Hell is Forever. The Torment of the Damned is everlasting.</p>I have committed everlasting "wrongs" against God and others.I enjoyed luxuries and leisures, while the poor in the Third World suffered and died, without food and Christ.</p>There is no remedy for these sins. Christ cannot "fix" this............I have believed Christ, repented, and now, I'm Forgiven. I'm Heaven-bound.</p>BUT! what about the un-saved sinner, who is guilty of the same crimes that I committed? He's not Forgiven! The effects of his wrongs are everlasting. The people who he could have rescued from Hell , never heard of Christ. </p>The effects of my crimes are everlasting and un-fixable. But, I'm forgiven. Christ paid an Infinite Penalty for my Infinite crimes.brdennis777

 

[Lynn73]

I agree with BigChris. There's nothing in the Bible that indicates anyone in hell will ever get out. If everyone were to eventually get out and if it's not permanent, what did Jesus die for? No, it's permanent. Forever and ever. You can't die lost without Christ and ever expect to set one foot in heaven or get out of hell.

 

[Easystreet]

Hell is not forever, the Lake of Fire is forever.

Hell is temporary and ends at the end of the 1000 year Kingdom When Christ rules and reigns on Earth.

 

[DailyBlessings]

It seems to me that to claim Hell is eternal, is to admit that sin has forever tainted the universe. That was the only goal of evil- to mar that which is good and perfect. So if Hell is forever, then God has lost. Is this not so?

 

[Jipsah]

There's nothing in the Bible that indicates anyone in hell will ever get out.

The Scripture says that the wages of sin is death, and that the soul that sins will die. Y'all are saying, "No, the soul that sins will live forever to be tortured." That's contradicting the Bible, isn't it?

If everyone were to eventually get out and if it's not permanent, what did Jesus die for?

Stop me if you've heard this one:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Notice the italicized word - perish. God gave His Son not so we wouldn't live forever in torment, but so that we wouldn't perish, i.e., die.

 

[MarkEvan]

Just a quickie Jipsah, What do you think revelation 20 vs 10 means?

 

[Jipsah]

Just a quickie Jipsah, What do you think revelation 20 vs 10 means?

Pretty much what it says. The devil, the beast, and the false prophet, right?

Any response to the Scriptures I've posted?

 

[veraxacis]

I thank everyone for their responses.

The point I was trying to make was examining how the world around us works and how I see small pieces of hell existing among us right now, this fact combined with the fact that some people choses to rwemain in these conditions even though they could escape makes me wounder if the eternity of hell is a more naturalistc reality than what we commonly think of when we consider hell..

The reality of the real hell might not entail a human being thrown into a bad place by winged angels. The reality of hell might be as simple as ;upon death the dammed gravitate to darkness and exist there in the same mentalities that they possesed in this life.

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[george]

I wish hell wasn't forever...but scripture does indicated that it does. think of it this way...God is eterinal. and if one die's having rejected Christ. he rejects him forever. and eterinal rejection means eterinal seperation. and if a eterinal God ,only got temperoy punishment out of those who commited the crime of sinning and rejesting him,then sin would not be justify. and God could not truey be a God of justice. if the punishment did not fit the crime.

when you read about the rich man and lazarus, you will notice that ppl in hell don't complain about being their. they know why they are their. they don't yell get me out. or how long they will be their. in some cases, they are more bitter and angry with themselves, than they are with God. cause they suddenly see all the chances they had to recieve him.

 

[MarkEvan]

Pretty much what it says. The devil, the beast, and the false prophet, right?

Any response to the Scriptures I've posted?

If you look at vs 15 as well it also apears that those people whose names are not in the book of life are also thrown into the "lake of fire" the same one in vs 10, i think it would be reasonable to assume therefor that their punishment is the same, in terms of it lasting forever.
Also Jesus talks about there being greater punishment for some, like where in Matthew (cant remember where) He talkes about Sodom and gomorah, rising at the day of judgement and condemning chorazin, and that it would be worse for them, chorazin that is, how could it be worse if they are all just annihalated?

I think that the scriptures teach that there is no way to kill a Spirit, therfore Spiritual death and perishment (dont think that is a word but i`ll use it) must mean something other than what we consider to be death. The second death it says is when they are cast into the lake of fire, hence that is what it means to perish.

By the way happy birthday.

 

[ThreeAM]

I agree with Jipsah. God takes no joy in the destructuion of the wicked. He does it because he has to remove sin from the universe once and for all time. The effects of hell are a final destruction the second death from which none shall ever return. The reward for believing in Christ is eternal life the wicked do not recieve eternal life. Some say but if you aren't punished forever then why fear hell. We should fear hell because if you are destroyed body and soul and perish in hell you will never know the joy of being with God and living forever. We should be afraid of losing eternal life with Christ.