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The sacrifical rites will be symbolic of the past and not for redemption. Ezekiel 40-48 is future and the things written there will take place just as they are written. The Lord has no intention of dropping His covenants related to the restoration of the Kingdom to a believing remnant part of national Israel at the end of this present age. Many unfulfilled prophecies account for this truth. His millennial Kingdom will consist of mortal humans of both Israel and the nations and these will be subject to and need salvation just like we do today. The difference will be the Lord's presence and control as He rules from Jerusalem. There will be another human rebellion at the end of the period when Satan is released from the abyss and the Lord will destroy those who rebel at the end of the period.
 
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I just thought of something interesting.

What if the 3rd temple was Nehemiah's temple. I mean, if we count the Tabernacle of the wilderness years, then it would make sense that the sacrifices wouldn't be reinstated in the 3rd temple because it's already happened?
 
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Ezekiel's prophecy in chapter 40-48 is not Nehemiah's temple. Read Ezekiel's vision carefully and you should note the enormous size of the structure. It will not even fit on the mount of today. The Lord will change the topography dramatically to accomodate the millennial temple. [Zechariah 14:4-9]
 
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I wanted to get some opinions on what Jesus was saying here:

John 4
20 Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where it is necessary to worship.
21 Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me that an hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeks such, the ones worshiping Him.
24 God is a spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth.
 
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The Lord was predicting the scattering of the Jews to reside in the nations with no attachment to the land, to Jerusalem or the temple mount. Scriptures also project the time when a part of national Israel would return from exile to the land again. Ezekiel 36, 37, 38 and 39 are examples.
 
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The Lord's millennial temple will be built in the Land of Israel. Read Ezekiel 40-48. This structure will exist during His 1,000 year millennial Kingdom on the earth.

Peter's statement is compressed and he gives you the beginning point and ending point of the "Day of the Lord". It will start with the Lord coming as a "Thief" does .... no warning; and end with the renovation of the entire universe and earth for the purpose of creating new heavens and a new earth. The "Day of the Lord" is not just one day, but an extended period of time and will include His "harpazo", His hour of trial (7 years of judgment against an unbelieving world), His millennial Kingdom on the earth for 1,000 years .... and then the renovation of the universe and earth for eternity. Peter says inwhich .... this means that the beginning and ending points are included in the time lapes. Many other Scriptures have the details of the Lord's "harpazo", 7 years of Judgment, and 1,000 years scheduled for His millennial Kingdom on the earth. Peter just does not include them in his compressed statement. If one thinks that Peter's statement includes only the beginning and ending events recorded which will happen in only one day, then many other Scriptures throughout the Bible related to the "Day of the Lord" would have to be discarded.
 
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I wanted to get some opinions on what Jesus was saying here:

John 4
20 Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where it is necessary to worship.
21 Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me that an hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeks such, the ones worshiping Him.
24 God is a spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth.

God promised to the OT prophets a new and living way in which to worship,
Jesus has made this possible for all people, just like the prophets said.

If they (Jews) build the temple and offer sacrifices, then this would be a slap in the face of the ANNOINTED one who came and put an end to this --by his own blood.

I couldnt imagine God being more angry about anything, than to see his people reject the blood of Christ,for the old law ritual of the blood of animals.


ludicrous behaviour, and extremely sad.
 
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That's interesting, I've never heard it put together like that before.

So basically, they will be doing temple sacrifices during the millenial reign? Is that what you're saying?

That makes me wonder about the lion and the oxen lying together? If the lion becomes an herbivore is man still an omnivore? Why the need for the sacrifices if we are there and Jesus is reigning as King of Kings?

No, what I'm saying is this, the Lord God gave Ezekiel a grand vision of a restored priesthood, a restored sacrificial system, a rebuilt temple, and a redivision of the land. All this was promised to Israel by God on the condition, let me repeat this, on the condition that:

""Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them." -Eze. 43:10-11 (KJV)

These were "conditional promises" God gave Ezekiel to tell Israel that if they (Israel) would be ashamed of their inquities, and when Ezekiel presented the form and fashion of the house of the Lord, (temple) and provided they kept all the ordinances, laws, and forms, Ezekiel was to write it in their sight, and if they agreed to do as the Lord instructed, the all that was promised, the priesthood through the line of Zadok, the new sacrificial system, the new temple, the redivision of the land, would be given to them.

The last 9 chapters of the book of Ezekiel are "conditional promises."

From Leviticus, chapter 26, we have this:

If you follow my statutes and keep my commandments and observe them faithfully, I will give you your rains in their season, and the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. Your threshing shall overtake the vintage, and the vintage shall overtake the sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and live securely in your land. And I will grant peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and no one shall make you afraid; I will remove dangerous animals from the land and no sword shall go through your land. You shall give chase to your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. Five of you shall give chase to a hundred, and a hundred of you shall give chase to ten thousand; your enemies shall fall before you by the sword. I will look with favor upon you and make you fruitful and multiply you; and I will maintain my covenant with you. You shall eat old grain long stored, and you shall have to clear out the old to make way for the new. I will place my dwelling in your midst, and I shall not abhor you. And I will walk among you, and I will be your God and you shall be my people.

This is a part of God's contract with the people of Israel. Note that God's promise here is conditional - "if you do what I want, I'll do this for you." Also note that this promise is conditioned on actions only - following the laws given to Moses.

The condition for God to fulfill the promises of Ezekiel 39-48 are found in Eze. 43:10-11.

Another very good reason why I say these are conditional promises is because we are taught about circumcision from Paul:

"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." -1 Cor. 7:19

"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?" -Rom. 3:1

And it is not the circumcision of the foreskin that matters, but the circumcision of the heart that matters to God:

"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." -Rom. 2:29

But, if you believe that you will be sacrificing during the Millennial reign of Christ, then according to Ezekiel, no matter who you are, Jew or Gentile, before you can enter the temple to sacrifice, you will have to submit to being circumcized first:

"And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations, In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations. And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves. Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel." -Eze. 44:6-9

`No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into My sanctuary.' Definite!

But St. Paul teaches in Galatians 5, verse 2:

`If ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.'

Again, in verse 3: `Every man that is circumcised … is a debtor to do the whole law.' Which according to verse 4 makes Christ `of no effect'.

Also, in Galatans 6, verse 15, we read:

`In Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.'

Therefore, if these last nine chapters of Ezekiel are Millennial, the rite of circumcision will be imperative, though the restoration of circumcision will render Christ ineffective as Saviour.

There are other reasons to reject the line of thinking the we will be sacrificing during the Millennial reign of Christ. But I'll not get into that.

After intense research on this subject, sacrifing during the millennium, I say here, it is my opinion that there will be no sacrificing during this time. Jesus' death on the cross put an end "once for all" (Heb. 10:10) to all sacrifices. Both now, and in the future.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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So what about all of the furniture/utensils that are missing from the original pattern?


It was all symbolic of what God would do through Messiah.
He has done it .

Once and for all, Jesus entered the holy place, and sin was wiped away---forever.

Many gifts have been given to Men, in the new messiahs kingdom-The real Church is well furnished.
 
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I have another question.....:wave:

Some of these my be silly, so please bear with me...

Since the second temple was oriented east to west (enter at eastern end ) and the pilgrims were to face the Holy of Holies when praying, wouldn't that be in a westerly direction? I find that to be a little confusing because of this passage:

Ezekiel 46
12 Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily to the LORD, one shall then open him the gate that looks toward the east, and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, as he did on the sabbath day: then he shall go forth; and after his going forth one shall shut the gate.

I ask this in light of this passage:

Ezekiel 8
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
 
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No, what I'm saying is this, the Lord God gave Ezekiel a grand vision of a restored priesthood, a restored sacrificial system, a rebuilt temple, and a redivision of the land. All this was promised to Israel by God on the condition, let me repeat this, on the condition that:

""Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them." -Eze. 43:10-11 (KJV)

These were "conditional promises" God gave Ezekiel to tell Israel that if they (Israel) would be ashamed of their inquities, and when Ezekiel presented the form and fashion of the house of the Lord, (temple) and provided they kept all the ordinances, laws, and forms, Ezekiel was to write it in their sight, and if they agreed to do as the Lord instructed, the all that was promised, the priesthood through the line of Zadok, the new sacrificial system, the new temple, the redivision of the land, would be given to them.

The last 9 chapters of the book of Ezekiel are "conditional promises."

From Leviticus, chapter 26, we have this:

If you follow my statutes and keep my commandments and observe them faithfully, I will give you your rains in their season, and the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. Your threshing shall overtake the vintage, and the vintage shall overtake the sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and live securely in your land. And I will grant peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and no one shall make you afraid; I will remove dangerous animals from the land and no sword shall go through your land. You shall give chase to your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. Five of you shall give chase to a hundred, and a hundred of you shall give chase to ten thousand; your enemies shall fall before you by the sword. I will look with favor upon you and make you fruitful and multiply you; and I will maintain my covenant with you. You shall eat old grain long stored, and you shall have to clear out the old to make way for the new. I will place my dwelling in your midst, and I shall not abhor you. And I will walk among you, and I will be your God and you shall be my people.

This is a part of God's contract with the people of Israel. Note that God's promise here is conditional - "if you do what I want, I'll do this for you." Also note that this promise is conditioned on actions only - following the laws given to Moses.

The condition for God to fulfill the promises of Ezekiel 39-48 are found in Eze. 43:10-11.

Another very good reason why I say these are conditional promises is because we are taught about circumcision from Paul:

"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." -1 Cor. 7:19

"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?" -Rom. 3:1

And it is not the circumcision of the foreskin that matters, but the circumcision of the heart that matters to God:

"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." -Rom. 2:29

But, if you believe that you will be sacrificing during the Millennial reign of Christ, then according to Ezekiel, no matter who you are, Jew or Gentile, before you can enter the temple to sacrifice, you will have to submit to being circumcized first:

"And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations, In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations. And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves. Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel." -Eze. 44:6-9

`No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into My sanctuary.' Definite!

But St. Paul teaches in Galatians 5, verse 2:

`If ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.'

Again, in verse 3: `Every man that is circumcised … is a debtor to do the whole law.' Which according to verse 4 makes Christ `of no effect'.

Also, in Galatans 6, verse 15, we read:

`In Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.'

Therefore, if these last nine chapters of Ezekiel are Millennial, the rite of circumcision will be imperative, though the restoration of circumcision will render Christ ineffective as Saviour.

There are other reasons to reject the line of thinking the we will be sacrificing during the Millennial reign of Christ. But I'll not get into that.

After intense research on this subject, sacrifing during the millennium, I say here, it is my opinion that there will be no sacrificing during this time. Jesus' death on the cross put an end "once for all" (Heb. 10:10) to all sacrifices. Both now, and in the future.

God Bless

Till all are one.

First, thank you for your patience! I truly appreciate one who is willing to explain to an old woman.

After reading all of that, I agree with you. Wonderful use of scripture to support this. I don't know that I would have been able to put that together.
 
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First, thank you for your patience! I truly appreciate one who is willing to explain to an old woman.

After reading all of that, I agree with you. Wonderful use of scripture to support this. I don't know that I would have been able to put that together.

You are quite welcome. I was trying not to sound "dogmatic" about all this. I was a dispensationalist at one time, and after about nine months of studying this exact topic, spending hours in the library, reading articles on the internet, and about a month or two of constant typing, I came to the conclusion that I have tried to show.

I was just glad to hear that I was able to help.

May the Lord bless you.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Houston, do we have a problem here?

Ezekiel 45
16 All the people of the land shall be at this heave offering for the prince in Israel.
17 And responsibility for burnt offerings shall be on the prince, and a food offering, and drink offerings, in the feasts and on the new moons and on the sabbaths, in all the appointed feasts of the house of Israel. He shall make the sin offering, and the food offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to atone for the house of Israel.


Revelation 21
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; respectively each one of the gates was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, as transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty is its temple, even the Lamb.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they might shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it, even its lamp is the Lamb.
24 And the nations of the ones saved will walk in its light; and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
25 And its gates may not at all be shut by day, for no night will be there.

Also see Rev 3:12 "He who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God..."

The new Jerusalem...There, God is present with the redeemed. The whole city may be thought of as the Temple...More specificaly the Holy of Holies, even the shape of the city is the same.

After Jesus walks out the covenants in a literal way, bringing them all to pass, then will the fullness of God come to the earth... 'new earth'...

In Rev. 22:6 Jesus calls Himself "the Root and the Descendant of David"...Jesus is fully God and Fully man FOREVER!!!

Heaven is coming to earth, call it the new earth if you will...it does not change the fact that heaven is coming to earth.

God created and delighted in the physical, material relm before sin entered the garden...He is bringing the heavenly relm and the physical/material relm together...forever!

God bless you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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1.Hour of trial (70th week): No temple, no sacrifices (there will be worship at the wall)

2.Millennium: Temple, symbolic sacrificing

3.New Jerusalem: No temple, no sacrificing

So will the sacrificing in the what you refer to as Millenium temple be done by believers? And if so, under who's authority and direction?
 
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If you will study Isaiah 2:2-4, Jeremiah 30-31, Micah 4:1-13, Zechariah 12:1-14, 13:1-9, 14:1-21, and Ezekiel 40-48 you will find that it is the Lord who will give all direction on the earth during His millennial reign including any activities with regard to His temple. It will be in Israel and the assignments of the temple will be given to Israelites.
 
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If you will study Isaiah 2:2-4, Jeremiah 30-31, Micah 4:1-13, Zechariah 12:1-14, 13:1-9, 14:1-21, and Ezekiel 40-48 you will find that it is the Lord who will give all direction on the earth during His millennial reign including any activities with regard to His temple. It will be in Israel and the assignments of the temple will be given to Israelites.


Will those Israelites be the ones who continue to deny Jesus as Messiah, or believing ones?
 
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They will be believers for sure. The Lord will not use them in His temple service if they are not. The Lord's capital will be at Jerusalem during the millennium and Israel will be the center of the world. Israel will know that He is their God and so will most in the nations during His rule. There will be those who fall away (most likely of the nations that develop) as the Kingdom progresses. The earthly populations of His millennial Kingdom on earth will be mortals. The Church, on the other hand will have already received their spiritual eternal bodies and will inhabit the universe as well as having access to the earth.
 
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