Will there be Bacon in the Kingdom to Come?

[nolidad]

Didn't YHWH define what we can eat?

And prior to the Mosaic Law, all people could eat all things except blood! Teh Mosaic Law put in restrictions of what to eat or not eat for Israel only.

 

[HARK!]

Why not? Jesus declared all foods clean!

I don't recall YHWH declaring that pork is food.

 

[Dkh587]

“BUT THE [Holy] Spirit distinctly and expressly declares that in latter times some will turn away from the faith, giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach, Through the hypocrisy and pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared (cauterized), Who forbid people to marry and [teach them] to abstain from [certain kinds of] foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and have [an increasingly clear] knowledge of the truth. For everything God has created is good, and nothing is to be thrown away or refused if it is received with thanksgiving. For it is hallowed and consecrated by the Word of God and by prayer.” 1 Timothy 4:1–5 (AMP)

God did not create pigs to be received with thanksgiving

Pigs were not sanctified and set apart by the word of God

when Paul wrote this, the “word of God” was the first 5 books of the Bible

Leviticus 11 lists which animals were sanctified by God, and pigs were not one of them.

Those which believe and know the truth = those who believe and know what the Law of Moses says... the law is the truth

Psalm 119:42
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

 

[nolidad]

I don't recall YHWH declaring that pork is food.

I don't recall him saying french fries are food either!

And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.


Eels, bugs, worms flies pigs are all foods. If you are going to go down the road of "if
Yahweh didn't specifically call something food" you are going to have to narrow your diet down a whole lot.

P.S. You better not ever eat a cheeseburg again.

 

[Dkh587]

They address what goes into a man's insides.

The Pharisees thought that eating with unwashed hands(the way they taught should be washed) defiled a person... they were concerned that dirt defiled people...

Unclean animals were not part of the discussion... it was about eating with dirty hands

 

[nolidad]

God did not create pigs to be received with thanksgiving

Pigs were not sanctified and set apart by the word of God

when Paul wrote this, the “word of God” was the first 5 books of the Bible

Leviticus 11 lists which animals were sanctified by God, and pigs were not one of them.

Those which believe and know the truth = those who believe and know what the Law of Moses says... the law is the truth

Psalm 119:42
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

And you forget that the Mosaic Law was only for Israel of the OT. As Paul wrote in Galatians, now that faith is come we are no longer under the law!

And the law was just a schoolmaster! So go enjoy an egg Mc Muffin, I promise you, go will not get mad!

 

[Dkh587]

Why not? Jesus declared all foods clean!

Food in the context of the Bible is stuff that is permitted by God to eat.

for example, Leviticus 11 lists the clean and unclean animals

cows, goats and sheeps fall under the category of “food”

pigs, shrimp, cats and dogs do not.

it is redundant to say “Jesus declared all foods clean”, because “food” according to the Bible only includes clean animals... pigs are not, and were never, and will never be “food”.

Bewides, the phrase “Jesus declared all foods clean” was added by the biased translators. Read the KJV - it’s not in there

 

[HARK!]

And prior to the Mosaic Law, all people could eat all things except blood!

(CLV) Gn 9:3
Every moving animal that is alive, shall be yours for food; as with the green herbage, I give to you everything.

How can this be?

Here is the Hebrew original script, from left to right.

את כל יִהְיֶה לְאָכְלָה כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב נָתַתִּי לָכֶם כָּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם

Here are the CLV translations word for word.

to·you living he which moving [animal] every-of to·you I-give herbage as·green for·food he-is-becoming all

Now the word "animal" was added by the translator. If that word hadn't been added by the translator; it would seem that this verse might be saying:

"To you who lives, he which moves, I give green herbage for food. He is becoming all?"

So I looked up each word with Google Hebrew translator. Here's what I get:

to you
He lives
which
insect?
all
to you
I gave
grass
A vegetable
For eating
will be
all

Law put in restrictions of what to eat or not eat for Israel only.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

 

[Amittai]

I don't recall YHWH declaring that pork is food.

This is an interesting "streaky" thread

 

[nolidad]

The Pharisees thought that eating with unwashed hands(the way they taught should be washed) defiled a person... they were concerned that dirt defiled people...

Unclean animals were not part of the discussion... it was about eating with dirty hands

That would be incorrect.

14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.


Jesus declared that anything eaten is OK! Except the prohibition that God gasve to all mankind through Noah-eating blood! That restriction has not been revoked yet.

 

[Dkh587]

And you forget that the Mosaic Law was only for Israel of the OT. As Paul wrote in Galatians, now that faith is come we are no longer under the law!

And the law was just a schoolmaster! So go enjoy an egg Mc Muffin, I promise you, go will not get mad!

If you don’t listen to the schoolmaster, how in the world are you gonna listen to Christ?

The law of Moses, which is also the law of God, is for all of God’s children. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[nolidad]

Food in the context of the Bible is stuff that is permitted by God to eat.

for example, Leviticus 11 lists the clean and unclean animals

cows, goats and sheeps fall under the category of “food”

pigs, shrimp, cats and dogs do not.

it is redundant to say “Jesus declared all foods clean”, because “food” according to the Bible only includes clean animals... pigs are not, and were never, and will never be “food”.

Bewides, the phrase “Jesus declared all foods clean” was added by the biased translators. Read the KJV - it’s not in there

So proved the phrase jesus declared all foods clean is a false addition!

And you keep ignoring the fact that the Levitical laws were only for Israel until Jesus came! And even then the food prohibitons were pu there to maker Israel a different people. Not because some animals are bad ina nd of themselves.

RE-read Mark again:

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Defile is to make unclean! So nothing a person eats can make him unclean!

 

[HARK!]

And you forget that the Mosaic Law was only for Israel of the OT. As Paul wrote in Galatians, now that faith is come we are no longer under the law!

When we have faith. We trust in YHWH. We follow his commands. If we don't transgress YHWH's law we aren't under the law.

And the law was just a schoolmaster!

Past tense?


(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

Present tense!

When we come to Messiah; we have the faith in Messiah to follow his example.

 

[Dkh587]

That would be incorrect.

14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.


Jesus declared that anything eaten is OK! Except the prohibition that God gasve to all mankind through Noah-eating blood! That restriction has not been revoked yet.

This was the topic of discussion:

Matthew 15:1-2

Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

They were not discussing eating unclean animals. The context is eating without washing your hands.

God told the Israelites to not defile themselves by eating unclean animals:

Leviticus 11:43-44

Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.

For I am Yahweh your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

eating unclean animals makes a person unclean.

Interestingly enough, “uncleanness” is a work of the flesh

Galatians 5:19

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness

this would mean that eating unclean animals is a work of the flesh

 

[Dkh587]

So proved the phrase jesus declared all foods clean is a false addition!

And you keep ignoring the fact that the Levitical laws were only for Israel until Jesus came! And even then the food prohibitons were pu there to maker Israel a different people. Not because some animals are bad ina nd of themselves.

RE-read Mark again:

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Defile is to make unclean! So nothing a person eats can make him unclean!

For some reason, you are quoting the end of a discussion, without including the beginning, which reveals the context of the discussion.

God was using Israel to teach Gentiles how to be holy. It didn’t stop at the cross. God’s commandments still teach how to be holy. You can’t be holy and eat unholy things.

 

[HARK!]

So proved the phrase jesus declared all foods clean is a false addition!

And you keep ignoring the fact that the Levitical laws were only for Israel until Jesus came! And even then the food prohibitons were pu there to maker Israel a different people. Not because some animals are bad ina nd of themselves.

RE-read Mark again:

15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Defile is to make unclean! So nothing a person eats can make him unclean!

Verse 16, in the passage you quoted, provides a clue. Yahshua uses this expression when he's attempting to convey a deeper spiritual message than appears on the surface. These messages call for discernment.

That siad, how do your reconcile your interpretation with this verse:

(CLV) Ac 15:20
but to write an epistle to them to be abstaining from ceremonial pollution with idols, and prostitution, and what is strangled, and blood.

I mean if nothing you eat will defile you; why would blood?

 

[Dave-W]

Eels, bugs, worms flies pigs are all foods.

Not biblically.

 

[Dave-W]

Why not? Jesus declared all foods clean!

Context. He declared everything considered Food to be clean; whether it was rabbinically blessed or the eater had done the proper rituals or not.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

(CLV) Isa 66:15
For behold, Yahweh, iwith fire shall He come, And His chariots like a sweeping whirlwind, To bring back His anger with fury, And His rebuke with blazes of fire.

(CLV) Isa 66:16
For with fire Yahweh shall come to judge, And with His sword upon all flesh; And Yahweh's slain will be multitudinous.

(CLV) Isa 66:17
Those who sanctify themselves And who cleansed themselves for the gardens, going after one in their midst, Eating the flesh of swine and the abominable thing and the rodent, They shall be swept up together, averring is Yahweh;

Note: Poll refers to pork bacon.

I voted no because I believe we will not need food. The glory of God will be our light and living waters will be our food through Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Be blessed

 

[eleos1954]

(CLV) Isa 66:15
For behold, Yahweh, iwith fire shall He come, And His chariots like a sweeping whirlwind, To bring back His anger with fury, And His rebuke with blazes of fire.

(CLV) Isa 66:16
For with fire Yahweh shall come to judge, And with His sword upon all flesh; And Yahweh's slain will be multitudinous.

(CLV) Isa 66:17
Those who sanctify themselves And who cleansed themselves for the gardens, going after one in their midst, Eating the flesh of swine and the abominable thing and the rodent, They shall be swept up together, averring is Yahweh;

Note: Poll refers to pork bacon.

Will there be Bacon in the Kingdom to Come?

No ... we will be vegetarians ... there will be no meat at all.